Here's Caleb. He's beefy enough but he's hardly morbidly obese. If he'd been vaccinated, he'd be alive right now. Instead, he leaves behind a pregnant wife and three kids because he believed the sort of stuff that you're peddling. He died for nothing other than pig-headedness.
I asked a hypothetical question to try and get up to speed on this topic. Stop pretending I was asking for medical advice.
Anyways it doesn't matter. The other poster who actually has knowledge on the topic got me up to speed.
Suspicious about boosters, but will happily lap up all sorts of nonsense from dodgy sites and Facebook lunatics. Checks out.
This thread should be in the conspiracy theory forum.
Give his activism he's likely to have come into extended contact with a whole lot of like-minded people anyway, one or more of whom could have hit him with a serious dose of the virus.
It absolutely shouldn't be.
Why would a drug that has potential benefits fighting Covid-19 be in the conspiracy theory forum? Whatever about the eegits ingesting the animal purposed version of this medicine, there is a human dose and millions of people in the world have had their lives changed because of it for other ailments. There are currently trials underway at Oxford, as well as a privately funded trial underway in Japan which the Japanese government have said would lead the way to consideration for Ivermectin adoption if conclusions are positive. They're only two of many other studies underway, which wouldn't be taking place if there wasn't promise there.
It's very strange of you to write this off as a conspiracy theory with the above in mind, it seems you've been caught up in the Facebook nonsense also but on the other side. This has become politicised like many other things. People feel that acknowledging Ivermectin may have potential is no different than putting on a MAGA cap and storming Capitol Hill. Sad times when scientific method is pushed aside and ignored for a sense of belonging to the right group.
Edit: Typo
I don't think it's a conspiracy, but there has become a very grifty no vaccine aspect to some of the alternative medicines.
It also feels like trumps health plan in that the study that proves it is always a few weeks away but never appears.
This thread started in December last year, in all that time a good study that would put the efficacy of Invermectin to bed could have been run multiple times over, but it hasn't happened with the data available today still not showing good efficacy and the tell tale sign is that the better run studies show little to no effect, whereas the badly run studies show good outcomes. This is not a good indicator for future results (which of course, could reverse the results).
In the mean time, most pharma companies have moved on to other treatments, for whatever reasons.
Is there no middle ground? Are people on here either mad pro vax, pro drug or anti vaxxers? Heres another one for ye
https://www.nutritionaloutlook.com/view/quercetin-warrants-further-study-as-potential-adjuvant-therapy-for-covid-19-says-recent-research
Quercetin is a vitamin(well, antioxidant), some people get enough already via diet and don't need it, those that don't get enough should adjust their diet to get more or take a vitamin, those that do get enough won't see any extra benefit from this. But again, the result is "healthier people have better outcomes when infected with SARS-COV2" which we already know.
That's another example of what happens on this topic. As the article states, more study is needed but reports like this rapidly become gospel that a said treatment absolutely works.
It seems to be working in parts of Africa....
Look lads if there was any anti- viral or respiratory benefit to ivermectin vets and farmers would have twigged its years ago
I'd look at countries individually if I were you. Somalia is down as a non ivermectin country and Ethiopia is blue as an invermectin country but their death tolls are pretty much the same. South Africa highly inflates the non-ivermectin country figures also due to the impact the virus had there, far less rural compared to other countries. Not saying there wouldn't be an impact if looked at properly but the data on that continent is poor across the board, so I wouldn't hold much weight to that image.
It's an interesting point, but I suspect that there are very large differences in demographics and testing/reporting between the blue and yellow portions of that map.
That's prozac. Do you really think that prescribing an anti-depressant to the general population to treat a respiratory disease is a good idea? Regardless of it being effective against Covid, there are very clear side effects and downsides to this.
People need to stop hyping these studies, what comes from this is a study into the mechanism that causes the effect on covid to try and create a treatment based on that, not prescribe Prozac, Hydroxycholoquine or whatever else to the general population.
So people in Africa who get Covid and have a serious infection with parasitic intestinal worms on top of that are more likely to die than the ones who get treated for the worms.
The pre-print, not peer reviewed, study that the quoted pic refers to is available here.
OK, your post is a prime example of how to spread misinformation.
The picture you posted mentions a study. The picture itself is not from the study, it comes from the Twitter feed (512 followers) of an antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist, who made it up.
This person deliberately misspells Ivermectin as IVE*MECTIN in his Twitter feed, to avoid being caught by disinformation tracking.
Jesus wept. No critical thinking or actual research. Just forwarding **** from social media.
We're doomed.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3896539
Case control study (above) for Fluvoxetine released in late July from Hungary, which saw a 4 fold increase in survival in FLX treated patients in hospital.
Its close cousin (fluvoxamine) has similar results in terms of covid risk reductions (see above).
Its now getting irish press interest along with HIQA reviewing its covid treatment potential.
Very interesting, I think these drugs are more likely to be used in Ireland before Ivermectin as irish GP's have better knowledge of these drugs, prescribe them every day and trials/studies seem to be more conclusive than Ivermectin which appears to require prophylactic use to gain superior results.
He's been at this since May of last year with a hope to have results on 2-3 months. Here we are 13 months later. What are his results ? I see alot of maybes and Mays. Wheres the hard results he is a researcher afterall.
https://www.togethertrial.com/news
That's the only version of that story that does not mention it warrants more trials and that the study is not yet peer reviewed.
Ok, let's try to unwind an clarify this.
The first study is about "Survival of Patients with COVID-19 Pneumonia".
Meaning, patients that are already sick, in hospital, and are suffering from pneumonia.
From the study:
Patients received anti-COVID therapy including favipiravir, remdesivir and baricitinib as well as their combinations; and a state of the art medical treatment.
Conclusion: Fluoxetine may become a potent part of the treatment of COVID-19 pneumonia if our results are confirmed by randomized controlled studies.
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The Irish Times piece is about something entirely different: Covid prevention.
Like the prevention we already have with vaccines, but much less effective - cutting hospital admissions by only 30%.
With the intended use case: "for poorer countries with low vaccination rates and lacking access to more advanced Covid-19 treatments."
So, in both cases, good, valid research, as long as it's read as intended by the authors.
There have been 4 trial results for fluvoxamine.
All have shown reduction in severe disease.
This trial saw a 30% reduction in severe disease.
All other trials had been higher improvement.
Every single trial warrants more trials.
Can you give some details of these . Were these controlled studies ? Volume of participants? Where are they published.
That has all of them in one place.
This study was commissioned by German Health Authority.
They recommend gargling with listerine daily.
Japanese culture is deeply embeded with gargling iodine formulated mouth wash,
especially during flu season.
Its all in the report.
Gargling is not a cure for covid in the same way masks are not a cure either.
They all help to varying degrees.
How are Japan doing with covid deaths thus far?
No idea I'm too busy gargling Listerine.
Taste the rainbow.
Username almost, almost checks out!😮
What's with all the anti depressants being peddled as the next big treatment?
It doesn't matter if it is effective in covid, you can't just throw antidepressants at people who are infected and not expect a wide range of side effects. It's not worth it, you're creating a problem to solve a problem.
Not. This. Again.
Link: LISTERINE USAGE GUIDELINES AND COVID-19
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