Agh yes....accuse someone of making up history (ie lying)....asked for an example...resort to simply abusing the poster
ha ha you cant even keep your delusions straight kid
Personally or overseen as a leading mamber of the ira?
They are the same thing?
Like by all means,if yous wish to include deaths from 1920s and the 40s and 50s in an all inclusive number,i have no objection with this (same as how all deaths here attributed to british must also include famine victims)
What part of history do you feel i has made up??
You didn't answer the question. How many women and children did Michael Collins kill?
i though they were the same thing? 🤣🤣🤣
its easy for you tho fit things into your narrative when you make up history as you go along
Are you honestly this unaware of what the old ira used be upto??....a much more ruthless organisation than pira
Afaik it was something like 120 disappeared,of which roughly half been recovered.....several ric officers killes post ceasefire
By end of woi,its activities almost mirrored all of subsequent subversive campaigns,commerial bombings (collins personally was involved in the adbanoned liverpool dock burning plot afaik)......if that lad been a provo,the troubles death total would have run into 10s of thousamds
Why?
How many women and children did Michael Collins kill?
Afaik he was claimed as noone (FF in particular) wanted anything to do with him at the time as he was pro-treaty......it was well into tbe 80s before civil war politics really cooled
Theres certain shops/undertakers down where my ould lad is from,whose customers are still divided roughly along civil war lines
Given some of stuff collins pulled and overseen,it really serves to highlight utter hyprcrisy of FG critising the pira
We were discussing the history when you butted in.
As another poster said, Michael Collins was dead for 10 years before FG was even founded. But here we have FG claiming him and airbrushing out the man who was actually their leader and one of their founding fathers because they are embarrassed about his fascist leanings.
That is 'rewriting' history, which is what Heather was criticising SF for today. Th people with a problem with the 'history' of this country seem to be Heather and yourself.
Had Limerick in a work pool thing, so having a thoroughly enjoyable evening thanks.
You can read the history. If you are uncertain which history then why are you complaining heather has it wrong?
Enjoy your evening.
I'll ask again...it's all I can do.
What 'history' are you referring to here? What does it 'say'?
History says it. Not me, I just repeating what the history books say, so is Heather
I’d say most of Sinn Féin’s supporters have been on government benefits at once in there life. Sorry to sound snobby but it’s true.
it’s a standard rabbit hole from you Francie, pointless exercise to go down and 100 posts and you posting snide remarks. If you are unclear of history then read it.
The 'I'll leave you to it' point has been reached.
I think you should talk to the rabbits above.
History says what?
Check the rabbits Francie……. Lads have sense.
Maybe you don't notice it, but it has no other purpose in your post but to demean or talk down to the poster. Why else would you throw in a random Indian word like that?
I didn't think it was defensible and clearly it isn't.
Heh heh…….. Francie…..even I had to laugh at that attempt
You would say that.
Others disagree. That is what is being discussed.
If you have issue report the posts for being off topic.
She is telling the truth….so what’s the problem?
If you want to discuss FG then bring it to FG thread….
Not an attack.
I don't ignore what I see as a racist comment Brendi.
Calling you out to explain why you first characterised the poster as 'not intelligent' then referred to them as 'sahib'?
If there is an innocent explanation, fire away.
Not one of your best attempts to try to attack the poster and ignore the post.
How do you get away with it?
FG made a speech today at the grave of Michael Collins (the good 'terrorist' hey want to be associated with) in which HH criticised SF for writing their own version of history.
Entirely relevant to this thread to discuss it and to have a look at what FG have done with their history.
Something something FG something something
Wash, rinse and repeat
The SF supporter handbook, point at FG to say they are just as bad
if you say voting for FG is so terrible then voting for SF is just as bad so vote for another party, plenty of options
Meanwhile a FG Minister (Heather Humphreys) is taking pot shots at 'other partys' weaponising history. 😁
The party making dubious links and completely airbrushing their founding father and the fascist ideology he stood for out of their own history.
You literally could not invent the level of lies, cheek and arrogance about their history, from FG.
Excellent point shebean. Especially the Collins thing, no one has ever explained to me (successfully) as to what the actual connection between Collins and the Fine Gael party even is?
Today is Michael Collins 99th anniversary, meaning the man was assassinated in 1922.
The aforementioned history section of FGs own website (now removed) has their beginnings/formation at 1933. More than a decade after Collins death.
This will have to do in the absence of FGs own history, but it's from a fairly neutral source.
History
Fine Gael was founded in September 1933 in the amalgamation of Cumann na nGaedheal (“Party of the Irish”)—the party of William Thomas Cosgrave, first president of the Irish Free State—and two lesser parties, the Centre Party (formerly the Farmers’ Party) and the National Guard (formerly the Army Comrades Association), also known as the “Blueshirts.” Cumann na nGaedheal represented the supporters of the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, which brought into existence the Irish Free State.
Fine Gael was founded in September 1933 in the amalgamation of Cumann na nGaedheal (“Party of the Irish”)—the party of William Thomas Cosgrave, first president of the Irish Free State—and two lesser parties, the Centre Party (formerly the Farmers’ Party) and the National Guard (formerly the Army Comrades Association), also known as the “Blueshirts.” Cumann na nGaedheal represented the supporters of the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, which brought into existence the Irish Free State
Meanwhile, poor Eoin O'Duffy was written out of their own history books, and basically disowned by them.
A party full of contradictions in my opinion.
I'm not shouting about 'Unionists', some of my neighbours are perfectly fine upstanding Unionists that I meet every day of the week.
I specifically said that I have issue with 'belligerent Unionists and partitionists as well as belligerent Republicans or dissidents.
You really need to stop lying about people and what they say.
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