I had an interview the other day and the recruiter mentioned that it would be a requirement to be vaccinated in order to enter the Dublin office unless you couldn't due to medical or religious reasons. Is this legal or a bit of a grey area?
Choice often can have consequences. There is no such thing as unlimited choice. We are very lucky in Ireland that we have had such a high uptake in vaccination. That has allowed us choices other countries have had to limit. Because of a high percentage of unvaccinated people in the US they have allowed employers to discriminate against unvaccinated workers. It is a reasonable decision IMO and in the opinion of other. Its similar with MMR vaccine in the US some schools require children to be vaccinated. You have the freedom to remain unvaccinated but society has the freedom of choice to set limitation to other freedom if you choose to asset you right to that freedom.
Twenty years ago you were free to smoke indoors in pubs and 10+ before that you could smoke in the workplace. But those freedoms impacted on others. So Government legislated that both workplaces and closed in area's in pubs were non smoking area's.
What's wicked about protecting people from a potentially life threatening illness?
We have great fresh air in this country, something I noticed when I got back from the Continent.
Once you are sheltered and a couple of heaters are banged on, what's the problem? Some outdoor areas are very elaborately covered so even wind shouldn't be bad.
When you're indoors having your pint and steak indoors this winter, don't look out the window if seeing unvax people doing the exact same thing troubles you.
All it takes is a couple of weeks on boards.ie. The same usernames keep popping up. There is no scientific overlap between vaccines, masks and lockdown- the only common thread is your perspective on life.
The irony is that those who were most against lockdown are now the loudest opponents of the only thing that can get us out of this pandemic. It's baffling but utterly predictable.
It troubles me in no way, having sat outside a few times during bad whether over the past couple of weeks, doing so during the winter doesn’t fill me with enthusiasm. I am happy for those who choose to preclude themselves from dining indoors to avail of the comforts of outdoors dining though.
Pregnancy is only one, if you had anaphylactic shock from a vaccine before, you just need to get a specific vaccine. Live vaccines are the ones that you can't get if you're immunocompromised. Anyone immunocompromised would have been in early phase of vaccines.
Barring some from most or all employment in a roundabout way is wrong cause people need to earn a living.
No one is barred from employment. If they want employment, just get a vaccine to protect their colleagues and customers.
They are choosing to exclude themself.
If people refuse proven, safe vaccines, they are barring themselves.
I'm not arguing against vaccines though, I'm arguing against bouncing people out of their jobs for making decisions about their own health/body.
Apart from the couple of weeks during pregnancy is there any condition that precludes you from getting a vaccine?
False.
An allergy to one or more vaccine ingredients. Guillain-Barre (sp?) syndrome, in some cases.
When there's the right under our Constitution about bodily integrity, I think going get a vaccination or lose your job violates that myself.
But to be clear.
You are choosing not to get vaccinated?
One case of GBS was reported with the J&J vaccine, but does not preclude you from having a different vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/underlying-conditions.html
I wasn't referring to side effects at all.
Some people have GBS and a musician was told by his doctor not to take a vaccine because of it.
We have no legislation for this and there is a reluctance to frame it. I don't expect they will nor is it something I'd support, definitely not off an evolving situation in August 2021, nor off decisions coming from a half-assed US vaccination programme and especially not based on vaccines whose protection may well wane quite quickly.
As for the unvaccinated, thankfully we will hit 90% so they should be largely covered. No programme will ever reach 100% despite the delusion amongst some posters that it should. Even MMR is deemed a great success at 95%. So you find out which of the 5Cs most bothers them and persuade some of that 9-10% to sign up. From posters here and people in RL I know that some are waiting for a period of time. If you and others want to consider unvaccinated pariahs who should be forced to vaccinate that is your prerogative, but it's a pretty poor public health one.
Have you any source for medical issues precluding vaccination apart from the musician anecdote?
Which clause in the Constitution are you referring to?
Nope, just saw that story about the drummer in the news. Maybe his doctor is giving over-cautious or unusual advice I wouldn't know.
Or the drummer is an anti-vaxxer talking shite?, either way, doesn’t seem to be any reference to GBS sufferers getting a different vaccine online.
Er I thought you were asking about conditions because you wanted to know, not playing a gotcha game.
How do I know whether a stranger is a liar or not?
Edit
If someone claims GBS sufferers can’t get vaccinated, seems fair to ask what that is based on.
I was trying to point you in the right direction since I thought you were interested. Maybe some non-famous people have received similar advice? Drummer's name is Pete Parrada. No idea if he's fabricating the claim that his doctor told him not to get vaccinated.
Your wrong
If your infected, viral loads of being vaccinated and non vaccinated are similar
Your infected, everyone can be infected
Did you not see the big CDC announcement on why they brought back masks for fully vaccinated people ?
Fauci was on TV with the CDC director and said put back on your masks you morons, ye can spread it like unvaccinated
It didn’t go down too well in USA, was a nice perk for doing the right thing and getting vaccinated
New data ruined it all
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-19-delta-variant-new-mask-guidelines-cdc/
Its just gradual steps - if no one was vaccinated then the pubs and restaurants would still be closed. Its sensible that we should reopen gradually so relaxing rules for vaccinated folks is a sensible approach (I would welcome other suggestions?).
Where do you stand on foreigners coming to Ireland, should they be required to be vaccinated / tested (and quarantined if needed)?
Why would they be closed though
They weren’t closed last summer with no vaccines
Also how are they opened in other European countries like Ukraine when they have only 7% fully vaccinated?
They must have a different virus there or something as they have 10 times less cases than we do per capita with 10 times less vaccinated
Poland must have a different virus as well, 200 cases today, no vaccine passports, COVID doesn’t exist there it seems talking to Polish friends there
They can’t understand what’s going on here
Excuse my frustrated tone
He had previously had Guilan Barre after a different vaccine and decided not to risk it again.
I can see where he's coming from but the number of people in Ireland in that situation must be absolutely tiny, like low single figures tiny.
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