I had an interview the other day and the recruiter mentioned that it would be a requirement to be vaccinated in order to enter the Dublin office unless you couldn't due to medical or religious reasons. Is this legal or a bit of a grey area?
Everyone is going to get covid and many more people have already had it than tests show.
It's only after the vaccine campaign started that the vaccines suddenly became a mechanism for disemploying, shunning and demonising the small number of people who for whatever reason aren't taking them.
I don't remember hearing anything about locking a section of people out of society until the last few months.
What a disappointment these vaccines have been, politically if not medically. They aren't bringing freedom, just more terrorised scapegoating rubbish.
They're not 100% effective, so you still have an excuse - though just barely - to treat other human beings as it they are nothing more than toxic bio-hazards.
It would depend on the velocity at which said fish hits you.
Bit of a drama queen there.
Who is locked out of society? I think the vaccines and indeed the uptake in Ireland has been fantastic, not sure how anyone would see the vaccines as disappointing?
No one is locked out of society. However there is a push by people such as yourself for that to happen. You would clear a path to ban unvaccinated people from all or most jobs. If we have another bad winter you might get your wish.
Last year there was anger and scapegoating of people who wouldn't stay at home. I was hoping with this vaccine campaign that the anger would dissipate. It hasn't dissipated, it has simply been transferred to a super-minority of unvaccinated people. Therefore the political effect of the vaccine campaign has been a disappointment imo. All of the bad feeling, recriminations, fear and hysteria have been retained in a slightly altered form.
This 'political effect' has nothing to do with the medical aspect of vaccines.
Actually I am pro choice, if you don’t want it, don’t get it. I do not support making vaccination compulsory. But, if you decide not to get vaccinated, I do support the right of the Government/business owners to deny you entry.
Then you are an anti-choice fascist.
That's to be expected and there's historical precedent for it. It's also not that long ago that the antivaxers on team Measles got a few wins under their belt by helping to create outbreaks here and abroad where it had previously been eradicated. And it today's interconnected world, we can see what they're capable of in the US where their kind are clogging up the hospitals, forcing more legitimate patients to wait or forego treatment. Thankfully, we don't have as nearly as many as those loons over here but it's always a concern. Rightly or wrongly, there's a perception that these types are assisting with the spread due to their inaction of a disease that we're starting to get a handle on. I know that it can feel unfair but societies tend to take a dim view of those with negative effects on that society. It's always been like that.
It’s a cross I’ll have to bear then, while I’m drinking my pint and eating my steak, inside.
If unvaccinated people are barred entry from all public and private indoor spaces that qualifies as locking them out of society. It's a wicked thing to do.
They lock themselves out. You know in advance what the terms of admittance are, if you do not agree to those terms, then I don’t see why a business owner should be forced to admit you.
That's pro-choice. With his way, both parties get a choice. Forcing people to accept the unvaxed into their business removes that choice from the owner.
mcmoustache,
What historical precedents?
There are the Victorians, who starved out our ancestors. They also put down the Indian Mutiny and prosecuted the Crimean War.
There are no precedents in the free world of western Europe post-1945.
Coppers don't let the trouserless sections of society into their establishment. That annoys the trouserless but all they need to do is put on some trousers and they can get in.
Lots of jobs require you to present for and pass a medical. And divulge your full medical history within a certain timeframe to them.
if you apply for a job and your employer wants to know if you’ve been vaccinated against covid, that’s a reasonable question in my view... you can choose to answer or not... if you choose not to answer I would like that employer be of the ability for the good of staff, contractors and indeed any customers you’d be in contact with, to not offer the position if that’s what they felt was in the best interests of the company, customers, staff and contractors.
No, you lock them out and gloat about enjoying fine food and drink.
Don't fear death, fear becoming evil.
Those damned Victorians.
Antivaxers during vaccination drives have been disliked since vaccinations drives.
I fear neither, if supporting the rights of people to choose whether they get vaccinated, and businesses to admit based on medical advice, then it’s evil I am, damned evil at that.
I won't claim to understand the reference to the Victorians but as far as precedents go, many western countries insist on MMR vaccination for children to be educated.
If selfish Irish people have to go without pints for the winter, then I think that's a fair trade off.
But you'll all just lie about it anyway. Because that's what selfish people do. They sort themselves out, don't give a fnck about anyone else and this thread is irrefutable proof.
And none of this is really about vaccines.
Your comment is unreasonable. How is this thread irrefutable proof that all unvaccinated people are habitual liars, as well as totally self-interested and that this discussion has nothing to do with vaccines?
In many cases, though, people are unvaccinated on medical advice, because of reaction to a previous vaccine, or some other condition.
I didn't think the comparison of Covid vaccines with the Famine or Nazi Germany was particularly reasonable either, yet here we are.
But it's not about vaccines. It's a general disaffection with society.
The people who don't want to get vaccinated are the same who protested against lockdown, don't think masks are useful, think it's all part of a plan to keep us in check, the government is corrupt and so on.
Vaccination is just the latest battleground for such people. If Tony Holohan came out tomorrow and said "actually, vaccines are useless and we're stopping the program immediately", there would be a Damascene conversion to the merits of getting a jab.
How do you know that people who opposed lockdown and the unvaccinated are 'the same people' other than by assumption?
Disemploying people is hardly going to convince them that theres nothing sinister going on.
We knew all along that not everyone would take a vaccine. Then in the last few months posters such as yourself appeared, arguing that unvax people should be bounced out of jobs, banned from public places etc.
Abandon your fanaticism and the issue goes away.
The hard hat was not my choice, it came from the post I replied to. Nobody denies the benefit of vaccines but there is an issue over how those who are unvaccinated are viewed and more than a hint that they should be forced to do so. If that's the position fair enough but people do need to stop playing lip service to the claim that they do actually believe in freedom of choice. Personally find it a dubious position to adopt but clearly quite a few others do not.
What medical conditions/reactions preclude you from being vaccinated? I understand pregnant women are advised not to get vaccine before 14 or after 36 weeks, is there any other? Please don’t guess the answer to that or provide a link to some wacky Facebook page.
People can choose whether or not to arrive to the workplace butt-ass naked. Their choice.
But their choice has consequences.
Unless your immuno-supressed, stop being a petulant 5-year old and get the vaccine. It's good for you, it's good for everyone around you.
I know and we just have to live with that.
Vaccinated people can spread it too. Likelihood is that a huge amount of people will get it in the future vaccinated or not.
Personally I don't care if I'm in a place where a few might be unvaccinated. I probably caught it a wedding last weekend, nearly everybody at it that went for testing seems to have got it - all of them vaccinated. Not even a sneeze for any of them.
Meh. Just hold your breath 'til it's the triple injected vs. the double-or-less injected.
By the way, umpteen restaurant owners have said outdoor dining is here to stay.
For one thing, they're concerned the government could ban indoor dining for all again.
Finding a rain-sheltered, heated outdoor area will be trivially easy for now on.
And eating outdoors in driving wind/rain/snow/frost will always be enjoyable.
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