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Australian Response

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Many Irish are in Australia, you may know someone there.

Australian doctors have issued an urgent plea to governments to immediately change course in their response to COVID-19.
The doctors warn of an Italy-style disaster in Australia unless stricter measures are enforced

The pleas are made in an open-letter circulating online among doctors

The letter has almost 4,000 signatories, the author says

They argue that under current preparations, Australia will be "in a worse position than Italy is currently in".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/australia-doctors-coronavirus-letter-pleading-government-action/12062368

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[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791886#Comment_117791886

Try saying that in the coming winter when we are as bad as we were last January

MadYaker

Vaccines were never going to stop the spread completely or keep everyone out of hospital, this was clearly explained. You failed to understand the purpose of the vaccines (like a lot of people) that doesn’t mean the vaccines have failed.

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791886#Comment_117791886

How so?

We weren’t last summer with no vaccines.

10 times more in hospital this summer than last year

What have the vaccines done for us this summer?

They have failed big time, didn’t stop the spread and people still in hospital

Have arguably made it even worse as well, vaccinated people walking around with no symptoms infecting others, gonna be impossible to stop it spreading now

Pre vaccines many of them would be sick and would stay at home and wouldn’t infect others

Now it’s a mess

MadYaker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791506#Comment_117791506

The vaccines are useless? What planet are you living on? We’d still be in lockdown if it wasn’t for vaccines.

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791491#Comment_117791491

We both got it wrong

We picked pharmacology via vaccines , they picked eradication and zero covid

Covid has kicked both our asses, vaccines are almost worthless now and eradication is impossible

We are fighting an enemy that can’t be beat.

Man plans, nature laughs 😂

War on Covid is a failure on both sides

Letting it rip and survival of the fittest was the only way

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117790599#Comment_117790599

There has been schadenfreude on both sides. The problem with both countries is that they have been used as evidence of an alternative approach to dealing with COVID and a big stick to beat authorities elsewhere. While posters may be pleased to see it confirmed that Zero COVID is really not a viable strategy there is also a level of empathy with people in both countries who may be a very long way from getting out of this.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117791214#Comment_117791214

Ah jesus that's **** horrible. I know we had drama about people searching for a lost dog on a mountain and they got fined etc... but come on.

Christ I hope they don't know animals can carry Covid, be like the army vs cows in the UK's Foot and Mouth war!

zom

foxnews.com/lifestyle/australian-rescue-dogs-shot-over-covid-restrictions-report

"A group of dogs that was set to be sent to a rescue were instead shot and killed by local officials, according to local reports. This was apparently done in order to prevent shelter volunteers from traveling and potentially spreading infections."

Australians take Covid pandemic pretty serious I see. No room for any possible fail while fighting the Virus. And the end justifies the means...

Ashdublinc13

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117790599#Comment_117790599

It was cr*p in Melbourne last year, and it's cr*p in Melbourne again this year. What will change next year if they don't abandon zero covid policy? As we've seen here with a high vaccine uptake, there are still cases. What approach is better? Ireland or Australia? Answer imo is neither. Look at some countries in mainland Europe where they are living with covid. Better than both Ireland and Australia. At least at the moment, I can leave here. I gather it's very difficult to leave your home in some states, never mind the country in Australia

TonyMaloney

It's funny to watch so many of you gleefully rub your hands together as two countries who have made the most of their geographical advantages, struggle to contain variants that were born from other countries who did **** all to prevent them occurring.

They may not be able to able to contain delta, but that does not mean their approach to a significantly less transmissible virus was wrong. They not only saved thousands upon thousands of lives, but also enjoyed a much better standard of living over the last 18 months.

Sneering at them now is not only morally bankrupt, but very **** early.

Give it a year. My guess is that you'll have absolutely nothing to sneer at.

flowerchild

Abusers seize opportunities whenever they can. Imagine how traumatising the shootings were for the volunteers who were arranging to pick up the dogs or who were caring for the dogs.

The regulator will do nothing.

The LNP (conservative) controlled press will stifle and refuse to print community reaction.

it is police-state behaviour.

ceadaoin.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rescue-dogs-shot-dead-by-nsw-council-due-to-covid-19-restrictions-20210821-p58ksh.html

absolutely awful . Some people are losing their minds down there

flowerchild

The Australian and NSW Government responses simply illustrate what is evident around the world - conservative governments are a health hazard.

The Australian government was too restricted in vaccine purchasing and terrible at the vaccine roll-out. The 2020 deaths were largely in federally regulated nursing homes, where the state-run homes nearby had almost no deaths. They failed to design meaningful mass media educative campaigns to address vaccine hesitancy.

The NSW Government was reluctant to shut down when Delta started its run and has re-opened construction when it should be going much harder. Restrictions are now differential, hitting the poor and multicultural suburbs much harder than rich whites.

I hate the Tories, wherever they are.

gral6

So, Zero covid utopia does not work anymore?

is_that_so

914 cases in Australia today.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117785222#Comment_117785222

It's Jacinda. This isn't the Daily Mail.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117784804#Comment_117784804

I think that in some small way that penny is slowly dropping.

Perhaps,given their isolation from other "modern" societies,the Antipodes are the last to realize that ?

It was still quite surprising to hear NZ's media favourite,PM Jacinta Ardern come out with the following....

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0821/1242061-world-coronavirus/

"One of the things that we've learned from New South Wales is that the virus can continue to spread during lockdown," Ms Ardern said of an outbreak in neighbouring Australia's most-populous state.

gral6

Covid needs to rip through population to some extent otherwise they'll spent the rest of their lives under the bed

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783832#Comment_117783832

I suppose if you don't live in Ireland and have little idea of the Covid response there and what it was like to live through the last 20 months, you might have such a weird brain fart.

[Deleted User]

It's amazing that Oz / NZ now are on the back foot in the fight against Covid.

Plenty of people who were praising their approach last year whilst heavily criticizing ours have completly flipped without batting an eyelid.

The thing with a Covid response is there is no right and wrong, only decisions on what path to take. A decision at one point becomes a good/bad decision at another, given how the wind shifts in the wider environment. There are so many variables including one person jumping on a flight with symptoms who is not bothered about guidance or Covid or life in general. That is all it takes. Then hindsight becomes a great thing.

The psychology of this whole thing has been fascinating. Watching people collectively lose the plot and form their echo chambers. No doubt, Jacinda Ardern last years woman of the year, will not be winning it in 2021.

Best of luck to both countries as they battle through the worst. Absolutely wonderful places where I have many friends.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117769099#Comment_117769099

They should learn from other countries and lock the nursing homes down completely, pay staff to live on site if they have to.

Tell the very obese and the immune compromised to stay at home.

Start building specialist repiratory hospitals so covid patients can be treated without them contaminating other patients and staff,this is the only way other hospital services can continue.

The vast majority of the population are at no risk from Delta and its pointless locking the whole country down, look at us, construction closed for months and now we have an even worse housing crisis and the highest number of covid cases in Europe.

Australia and New Zealand have to accept covid is here to stay and the weakest in the population will die from it,thats the reality and the sooner they accept this and get vaccinations rolled out the better.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117769078#Comment_117769078

But its not one case, it could be hundreds if many people dont come forward for tests, I wouldnt if I was a citizen in either of those countries.

They are basketcases at this stage.

fun loving criminal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783710#Comment_117783710

Except there has been an increase in hospitalations and in ICU. And they seem to be hinting at more restrictions here. Not sure when they will, if they do. So things aren't back to normal yet.

Amirani

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783565#Comment_117783565

Fairly normal yeah. It's just large scale events and nightclubs really that aren't happening. Not really impacting most people's daily lives anymore.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783690#Comment_117783690

Delta in a population virtually untouched by COVID and now perhaps a problem of effective contact tracing.

fun loving criminal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783399#Comment_117783399

I honestly thought they would have things under control by now. What is going on?

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783565#Comment_117783565

A path to normality yes and we haven't quite finished yet. That normality is a lot easier to reach when well in excess of 80% of each age group over 30 is fully vaccinated. Despite the large daily headline cases hospitals have not come under huge pressure and that link to hospital cases may have been broken.

is_that_so

March in Melbourne and given their experience with lockdowns somewhat understandable. Photo of police with pepper spray is not a good look at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/21/australia-anti-lockdown-rallies-protesters-violently-clash-with-police-in-melbourne

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783557#Comment_117783557

Were vaccines the way out in ireland? Back to normal now?

bennyineire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783399#Comment_117783399

Vaccines of course but they are looking at months of hard lock down for sure