N17 - Knock to Collooney [design & planning underway]

DumbBrunette · 08-10-2020 1:27pm

No, it never was

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Quick question... was the R375 ever the N26? Possibly before 2006, when the N5 Charlestown bypass was completed?

BelfastVanMan · 08-10-2020 1:32pm

DumbBrunette wrote: »

No, it never was

Ah, ok, thank you. :-)

DumbBrunette · 08-10-2020 1:32pm

They normally bend over backwards to avoid house demos, there's pretty much no chance they'd plough through a housing estate when alternative options are available.

friedcircuits wrote: »

Hi all, my house and others including housing estates etc are on one proposed route around Tubbercurry. I generally don't worry about things but this is abit scary if I'm honest. Does anyone have any experience with this kinda thing or what to expect etc? Only two years in the house so not sure what to think, and how long will this be dragged out etc. Also no planning permission to extend so that could halt family starting. Ah scared myself more now!

riddlinrussell · 08-10-2020 1:58pm

DumbBrunette wrote: »

They normally bend over backwards to avoid house demos, there's pretty much no chance they'd plough through a housing estate when alternative options are available.

Yeah I would take the current 'route options' with a heaping of salt, there's likely one option they already have in mind as their 'gold' route, and several good alternatives (these will make the second phase options stage). This initial stage is basically to ensure they aren't 'railroading' their preferred option through, they basically have to give reasons why each route should be considered/discounted. Houses along the route would be a mark against it, the route with the least houses/planning headaches is probably going to be a good contender for the preferred route option

friedcircuits · 08-10-2020 2:03pm

DumbBrunette wrote: »

They normally bend over backwards to avoid house demos, there's pretty much no chance they'd plough through a housing estate when alternative options are available.

I was thinking as much but still easy to over think! I'd imagine routes to the east or west essentially a bypass is the idea. But surely inevitably there will be some people's homes CPO'd.

riddlinrussell · 08-10-2020 2:07pm

friedcircuits wrote: »

I was thinking as much but still easy to over think! I'd imagine routes to the east or west essentially a bypass is the idea. But surely inevitably there will be some people's homes CPO'd.

With a project of this scale it's practically unavoidable, but all other factors being equal they would choose the route that results in the least number of CPOs, obviously they may go for more if it means saving millions overall on the route due to easier terrain etc, but planning like this doesn't happen in a bubble where they only factor in the raw numbers, they don't want the project being held up by large groups of angry homeowners any more than homeowners want to get their homes knocked for a road.

DumbBrunette · 08-10-2020 6:28pm

By way of comparison, no dwelling houses were knocked for the M17 Tuam to Athenry motorway - only 2 agricultural buildings were demolished, that's it.

friedcircuits wrote: »

I was thinking as much but still easy to over think! I'd imagine routes to the east or west essentially a bypass is the idea. But surely inevitably there will be some people's homes CPO'd.

Cosmo Kramer · 10-10-2020 8:47am

Although the road is incredibly squiggly as a result.

bod68 · 10-10-2020 9:31am

hi , ive only just seen the suggested {coloured} options for this route, if your house is situated on one of the coloured routes does that mean it will most definitly be cpo?

DumbBrunette · 10-10-2020 11:21am

No, this is the route selection stage, meaning they have to select a single route based on lots of criteria like cost, environmental impact etc.

One of the biggest considerations is the number of houses that would have to be CPOd, they will generally try to avoid that unless there is no other alternative.

bod68 wrote: »

hi , ive only just seen the suggested {coloured} options for this route, if your house is situated on one of the coloured routes does that mean it will most definitly be cpo?

Cosmo Kramer · 11-10-2020 9:29am

bod68 wrote: »

hi , ive only just seen the suggested {coloured} options for this route, if your house is situated on one of the coloured routes does that mean it will most definitly be cpo?

No, not at all. Just don't try applying for planning permission for anything for the next couple of years.

bod68 · 11-10-2020 10:22am

Hi, this is all new to me so I'm just wondering if out of all of the coloured routes indicated ......is there one which is the perfered route ?

Cosmo Kramer · 11-10-2020 10:34am

Not yet, at least not officially. Realistically in the Roads office they will probably have a preferred route in mind. It will probably be the one that requires the least amount of demolition of houses and follows a broadly similar track to the current road.

It probably sounds a bit cynical but the selection process is often a bit of a tick box exercise for these kind of things. Usually they will just do what they want to do. Not beyond possibility that they'll also put a few outlandish options in there, such as ones that involve flattening housing estates, to make it easier to narrow it down to the one they actually wanted to pick from the start.

Just reading that back - 15 years working in the public service has made me really cynical about these things!

riddlinrussell · 11-10-2020 1:50pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Not yet, at least not officially. Realistically in the Roads office they will probably have a preferred route in mind. It will probably be the one that requires the least amount of demolition of houses and follows a broadly similar track to the current road.

It probably sounds a bit cynical but the selection process is often a bit of a tick box exercise for these kind of things. Usually they will just do what they want to do. Not beyond possibility that they'll also put a few outlandish options in there, such as ones that involve flattening housing estates, to make it easier to narrow it down to the one they actually wanted to pick from the start.

Just reading that back - 15 years working in the public service has made me really cynical about these things!

I wouldn't doubt that there's a preferred route already in the heads of the planners, but while it might be viewed that way, this process, at least when it gets down to the narrower selection of routes, can provide more than just a box tick, they have to do due diligence on checking out the routes and there's nothing to say they won't either find some issues with their preferred route, or discover there's a better one and come around to picking it.

I think its also good for accountability, you can see which routes were up for selection and can at least make a submission asking what made them choose route x over route y.

bod68 · 13-10-2020 4:42pm

Hi, out of interest, what colour route do you think will make the final choice and why? ( I understand they have to take a lot of things into consideration but I'm just trying to understand more about it and wondering about other people's point of views that have better insight than I do) thanks

friedcircuits · 15-10-2020 11:46am

bod68 wrote: »

Hi, out of interest, what colour route do you think will make the final choice and why? ( I understand they have to take a lot of things into consideration but I'm just trying to understand more about it and wondering about other people's point of views that have better insight than I do) thanks

I'd be interested in this also. Had a callback from engineer this morning. Nothing useful to be honest, said to fill out feedback form as consultants etc take all into consideration. I'm thinking what if it's only me that fills it in??? ðŸ˜‚

I said to him I felt as not alot of people are actually aware of it or what's going on.

Long story short I know as much now as I did last week.

Anyone else on the route here, get a call or talked to anyone?

riddlinrussell · 15-10-2020 11:50am

friedcircuits wrote: »

I'd be interested in this also. Had a callback from engineer this morning. Nothing useful to be honest, said to fill out feedback form as consultants etc take all into consideration. I'm thinking what if it's only me that fills it in??? &#55357;&#56834;

I said to him I felt as not alot of people are actually aware of it or what's going on.

Long story short I know as much now as I did last week.

Anyone else on the route here, get a call or talked to anyone?

If you're in an estate/have nearby neighbours, would be worth asking them if they are aware of the plans, if there's a bunch of you making representations then it will definitely be a serious consideration. If you can organise representations now then you'll be in a better position if your route is still on the agenda in the second round to strongly oppose it.

friedcircuits · 15-10-2020 12:17pm

riddlinrussell wrote: »

If you're in an estate/have nearby neighbours, would be worth asking them if they are aware of the plans, if there's a bunch of you making representations then it will definitely be a serious consideration. If you can organise representations now then you'll be in a better position if your route is still on the agenda in the second round to strongly oppose it.

There is estates in the corridor alright but I'm not in an estate. I was thinking I might chat to a neighbor whose been in the area longer than me.

I'm not saying I will be the only feedback sender but surely all feedback will be looked at not based on the amount for one route?!

No planning now for at least 12-18 months. I asked him what happened 20 years ago and now with this pandemic and money, things might go tits up again, he said it could!

It's hardly the path with the less resistance is the preferred route?!

Pete_Cavan · 15-10-2020 12:54pm

friedcircuits wrote: »

I'd be interested in this also. Had a callback from engineer this morning. Nothing useful to be honest, said to fill out feedback form as consultants etc take all into consideration. I'm thinking what if it's only me that fills it in??? &#55357;&#56834;

I said to him I felt as not alot of people are actually aware of it or what's going on.

Long story short I know as much now as I did last week.

Anyone else on the route here, get a call or talked to anyone?

In fairness, if they are ringing people up and asking them to have a look, as well as putting out on various platforms, I dont think there is much more they can do to make people aware of it. Word of mouth is always a good way for it to spread so you mentioning it to people can only be good.

I dont think there is much else to know right now other than these are possible routes for the road. More detail comes later after they have selected a corridor and start actual design work. People can offer their opinions on one or more corridors, positive or negative. It may or may not make a difference but its an opportunity to get your schpake in!

friedcircuits · 15-10-2020 1:08pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

In fairness, if they are ringing people up and asking them to have a look, as well as putting out on various platforms, I dont think there is much more they can do to make people aware of it. Word of mouth is always a good way for it to spread so you mentioning it to people can only be good.

I dont think there is much else to know right now other than these are possible routes for the road. More detail comes later after they have selected a corridor and start actual design work. People can offer their opinions on one or more corridors, positive or negative. It may or may not make a difference but its an opportunity to get your schpake in!

Not many of the slots where booked on the site! Indeed I gave my feedback and positives and negative of routes. I'm sure everyone thinks it's a great idea but boil it down and it'll be - but not in my back yard!

I'm going to try and get a few people to make abit of noise and go from there. Who knows could be the start of my political career! ðŸ€”ðŸ˜‚

serfboard · 15-10-2020 2:50pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

In fairness, if they are ringing people up and asking them to have a look, as well as putting out on various platforms, I dont think there is much more they can do to make people aware of it. Word of mouth is always a good way for it to spread so you mentioning it to people can only be good.

A website, local radio and newspapers, word of mouth, but above all, (and despise it as I do) Facebook is a great way to spread the news.

Whenever some event is going on in my area, since I'm not on Facebook, how I find out is someone telling me about it. When I ask how they found out, Facebook is usually the answer.

CatInABox · 15-10-2020 5:24pm

Somewhat off topic, but EirGrid want to build a powerline connecting Ballina with Ballaghaderreen, roughly east-west. These lines are basically crossing all the route options for the N17 upgrade. If you're submitting an observation on the N17, then take a look at the route options to see if they require a response too.

You can find them here.

ruralaf · 16-11-2020 11:12pm

Hey does anyone know if there is a way to view the submissions made already submitted?

riddlinrussell · 17-11-2020 11:39am

ruralaf wrote: »

Hey does anyone know if there is a way to view the submissions made already submitted?

Not directly, but you'll be able to get the gist of them from the next phase report, which will discuss the feedback they received

stray creditor · 10-12-2020 1:08pm

There should be dual carrigeway from Tuam to Collooney skirting [shortest distance] Dunmore, Ballyhaunis and Ballaghderreen, what is being proposed is a waste of time and money. Better to do it right.

Pete_Cavan · 10-12-2020 2:56pm

stray creditor wrote: »

There should be dual carrigeway from Tuam to Collooney skirting [shortest distance] Dunmore, Ballyhaunis and Ballaghderreen, what is being proposed is a waste of time and money. Better to do it right.

Such a route wouldn't work for journeys between most of Mayo and Galway or Sligo. Existing routes would continue to be used which defeats the purpose, particularly of a dual carriageway. You are also going through awful boggy land with such a route which would likely cost more even if shorter.

riddlinrussell · 10-12-2020 3:02pm

The point of these roads is never explicitly about the point to point utility @stray. Your suggested route would capture a lot less traffic than the proposed one, and as Pete said the ground conditions probably eat up any 'saving' even if the projected AADT justified such a route.

CatInABox · 15-05-2021 8:54pm

Next phase of this will be shown next month, apparently. Broadly on time, according to the schedule anyway.

See here.

DumbBrunette · 27-05-2021 2:45pm

Refined route options in July, with PRC chosen by end of year.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/05/27/preferred-route-for-new-n17-between-knock-and-collooney-due-by-year-end/

CatInABox · 27-05-2021 3:03pm

DumbBrunette wrote: »

Refined route options in July, with PRC chosen by end of year.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/05/27/preferred-route-for-new-n17-between-knock-and-collooney-due-by-year-end/

Yes, the notice is up on the official website now.

See here, says much the same thing.

Mullinabreena · 27-05-2021 9:24pm

https://n17knockcollooney.ie/hotel-dates-public-consultation-no-02-phase-2-options-selection-2/

jobhunter1953 · 27-05-2021 9:34pm

what do people think the preferred route will be? can't imagine alot of these are feasible..

Mullinabreena · 27-05-2021 9:52pm

Time will tell. I'd say to the west of Charlestown to get the biggest population routes from Mayo, then maybe stay West of Tubbercurry because its better land with plenty of rock and sand compared to the boggy Eastern side that would have more environmental impacts. I'm not sure what will happen at Collooney, maybe one of the North west routes which will make an interesting junction. I live on a on one of the routes and have land on a few of the routes so it will probably affect me in some way. I also have most my family living on various route options

Mullinabreena · 05-06-2021 5:28pm

I was looking at this map of sensitive areas in Co. Sligo. I wonder will this have a major impact on the route chosen?

"To inform development management, conservation and tourism infrastructure decisions in County Sligo in order to sustain the habitats, ecological processes and functions necessary to maintain biodiversit"

CatInABox · 04-08-2021 5:44pm

New update is up on the n17knocktocollooney website, they're doing final checks on the chosen routes before publishing them on the 20th August.

Mullinabreena · 19-08-2021 11:13am

We should know tomorrow on the final routes

CatInABox · 20-08-2021 12:12pm

Seems they got sick of me spamming the refresh button and posted when the update is going live: 3pm.

hangar18_ · 20-08-2021 3:02pm

And the site is down

CatInABox · 20-08-2021 3:04pm

Their feeble attempts to trick me into stopping smashing the refresh button didn't work, and now their site has crashed.

Muhahahaha.......

CatInABox · 20-08-2021 3:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117781079#Comment_117781079

Guessing that they really underestimated the number of people interested in this.

hangar18_ · 20-08-2021 3:13pm

There is massive interest in this project. You think they would have the website ready for this.

friedcircuits · 20-08-2021 3:14pm

Ah jaysus its like trying to log into college website to get exam results. Everyone together and.........CRASH!

CatInABox · 20-08-2021 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117781150#Comment_117781150

Probably not used to provisioning for surges like this. They could look at the history of the site and project forward from that, but that'd give a really low requirement. If they're smart, they'll be on to Blacknight right away.

timmyntc · 20-08-2021 3:19pm

haha cant blame them - a website like that wouldnt get 10 hits a day for the most part.

When someone gets in can ye post the details of route selection here?

hangar18_ · 20-08-2021 3:22pm

It's working now but very slow

Just looked at the new map and it's not good for me

CatInABox · 20-08-2021 3:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117781198#Comment_117781198

Nothing new on it yet though, not that I can see

friedcircuits · 20-08-2021 3:34pm

It looks the same - did they say 3PM and everyone swarmed on it and no changes yet?

friedcircuits · 20-08-2021 3:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117781262#Comment_117781262

Nope sorry it is different, they took out some of the eastern options.

CatInABox · 20-08-2021 3:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117781262#Comment_117781262

Guessing again, but they had everything ready for 3, but then the surge of people hitting the site has destroyed their ability to press the go live button.

friedcircuits · 20-08-2021 3:40pm

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Old and New Maps as far as I can see.

N17 - Knock to Collooney [design & planning underway]

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