25 years old because its a 40 year old drug that has a proven safety record.
It can still be got in ireland with a prescription.
Trial data is trial data as you say above.
I'm not replying anymore.
You bore me.
Plenty of drugs with severe side effects can still be prescribed in Ireland. You can get thalidomide for instance.
Its not my fault if having your weird beliefs challenged bores you.
Weird beliefs that I think depressed people might have suicidal thoughts and trial data that prove my beliefs.
Its right out there.
Goodbye.
That's a refusal to even read the SPC there, not just a "weird belief"
The manufacturers accept that the drug increases suicidal ideation in those who take it - this is compared to a placebo group. There are no trials of it people who weren't already depressed as why would you give those a strong antidepressant? (well, you want to because Dr Quacks On Google told you to)
You are using an outdated trial (actually, its a meta analysis not a trial as far as I know - but its irrelevant as its so out of date as to be useless) you found on Google - the usual "did my own research" basis - to try and claim the actual current manufacturers advice is wrong?
The manufacturer ran that trial.
It also said a few depressed lads on this drug complained they still were suicidal.
We think its safe, its up to you.
Sure just treat everyone with covid with rest and water.
Definitely no side affects from them.
There is risks and benefits to all drugs.
I dont think you have grasped that in the midst of a global pandemic.
People will take bigger risks when they think there life is in danger.
Its just human nature.
You stick with your parecetemol and bed rest.
You didn't even begin to read the document you linked to, did you?
It was a meta-analysis, not a trial. It does not appear to have been done by the manufacturer. It is 25 years old and rarely cited as it is outdated.
I read it weeks ago.
Your repeating yourself at this stage.
Youv'e said this all before.
You thinks its deadly even though its 40 years old and still available in this country.
You read it weeks ago yet failed to realise it wasn't a trial....
I'm repeating myself because you are failing to actually understand anything.
I've dealt with every single one of your ridiculous distraction points and yet you repeat those. Its available here because it has specific uses, that does not mean it is free from severe side effects.
As in the linked scammer website above, mentions of 'doctors' who prescribe Ivermectin.
'Hey, I know a doctor (veterinarian) who will prescribe you anything - for a nominal service charge'.
You don't have to be a medical professional to understand the difference between a virus, a parasite, and a bacterium. And to understand that treatment for either one is fundamentally different to treatment for the two others.
Failing to see things the way that you want to see things...
HIQA in their two reports this year mentioned fluvoxemine along with monoconal antibodies as most promising outpatient treatment out of literally 20-30 potential trialling currently around the world.
As both are currently in phase 3 trials and these results are not available they are not going to advise people to take these at this stage.
Totally reasonable report.
None of the s**** you talk about is in reports.
Severe side effects you talk about are - some depressed people who are depressed enough to go on medication report feelings of suicide. Imagine that?
An asprin can cause severe side effects of internal bleeding in perfectly healthy people. That will be on label and people in ireland surprisingly decide to still take it.
Me thinks the person protest too much..
You claim to have read a meta-analysis yet continue to call it a trial.
You claim to have read two HIQA reports yet select subsections of them (that were probably found by keyword searching) to try misrepresent the outcome of the report.
You continue to push unproven drugs with significant side-effects and try to wave the side effects away by doing a desperate Google for reasons to minimise them.
You fail to understand that patients being depressed beforehand is not the reason why a drug shows increased suicidal ideation compared to a placebo - suggesting that you haven't got a clue about the basic relating to trials, placebos, outcomes or indeed anything scientific at all.
If anyone protests too much, its you - as you clearly have no handle at all on what you're trying to claim.
How many posts ago did you say I was boring you and you were going to stop responding?
Exactly stop replying.
I'm not going to agree with you no matter how many times you rehash/repost and say the same things.
You've said nothing new in last 2 hours.
Anyone else reading this would be bored stupid as am I.
Nothing new has needed to be said, as you keep reverting to your miscomprehension of the facts on everything.
Your beliefs here are wrong. Your opinions are wrong (something being an opinion does not protect it from being inaccurate). Your reading of the various trials, meta-analysis and reports you have linked to or been linked to is wrong. You are wrong in basically every single thing you post, and everyone else looking in can see that.
Im asking you politely to stop at this stage...
I am not going to stop pointing out that your claims are wrong.
Why is this more often becoming the ending point for someone who can't admit a mistake? It's clear you've spent a lot of time on your viewpoint so no point berating someone else when they tear it down, science is about discovery and finding out new things, and it's OK to be wrong instead of trying to play it off like you don't care, when your posts say you do care.
Me and you have had plenty of arguments on AZ thread.
I'm not engaging with you here.
You can and try but im not biting.
I'm not engaging, just pointing out that by calling the other person names and digging in, you've essentially lost the argument, maybe there will be a future study that shows these "existing medicines" do work, like happened for dexamethasone, but they do seem to be falling away 1 by 1 leaving only newer medicines as possibilities for treatment (and the vaccines + good health seem to be the best prophylactic going). I just don't see there being a nationwide drive to get everyone onto long courses of Invermectin or Fluvoxemine, it's completely impractical.
Half of cases now being admitted to hospital are fully vaccinated - the need for therapeutics is growing
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-covid-hospital-cases-fully-vaccinated-zcppw7jrp
It is but for therapeutics that have successfully come through clinical trials.
Or you can go with the considered opinion of your doctor where they consider the potential benefits outweigh the risks. I suppose it depends on how risk averse you are.
More of a fan of data and regulatory authorities thanks. Plenty of examples of the "considered opinion" of doctors being rubbish.
Vaccines are a prophylactic. Ivermectin is being proposed as a treatment. In cases of breakthrough infection of vaccinated patients you use the Methodology of something like the UK recovery trial that validated Dexamethasone.
You split your vaccinated breakthrough infections into cohorts. The notion that Ivermectin is prophylactic? Needs to be but aside as we have multiple effective vaccines. Rely on those for prophylaxis and continue to assess evidence (or at least actually start) for therapeutic uses via blinded studies.
Fair enough. My own faith in clinical trials and the authorities is not as strong as it was before the pandemic.
This is promising:
"Some 93% of 90 coronavirus serious patients treated in several Greek hospitals with a new drug developed by a team at Tel Aviv’s Sourasky Medical Center as part of the Phase II trial of the treatment were discharged in five days or fewer."
They haven't completed the trial yet and it's still early days, but the drug apparently targets the immune system to regulate cytokine storms without dampening immunity in general like steroids do. Could have implications for other CS-causing diseases.
That's great news. It's amazing to see what can be achieved with modern medicine and the scientific process. While conspiracy theorists were shíting on about silver, hydroxychloroquine, worm medication and bleach, these doctors and scientists just got on with it and are getting actual results.
Yeah there's also a WHO sponsored trial for repurposing drugs underway, results expected next month.
This is an interesting take. The clinical trial and regulation system got both vaccines and treatments from zero to approval in less than a year which was absolutely unprecedented.
And clinical trials and regulation are absolutely necessary to weed out the snake oils like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
The consultation stuff isn't new, by the way. I know a few people who used these services in the UK in relation to MMR and Autism and their newborns, a couple of years back. It was £250 for 15 minutes then. A nice little money spinner.
Suffice to say that those same people were anti vax then and are anti vax now.
The latest from Israel is that the vaccinated and unvaccinated are being hospitalised at the same rate. They all got Pfizer and so did I. When my vaccine begins to wane in the coming months I will be looking to get a prescription of Ivermectin at the earliest sign of infection. The high viral loads of Delta means that it has to be tackled very early to have any beneficial effect.
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