Robert W Malone, one of the head cranks supporting invermectin, is now saying not only was he suffering from long COVID, but that invermectin cured him. It all seems a bit of a charade at this stage.
It occurs to me that maybe he didn't have long covid, he had a parasitic infection...
It does remind me of this:
Not had, rather is a parasitic infection. The grift needs to present evidence. I find it galling that vaccines, dexamethasone and the monoclonal antibodies all need to present the appropriate evidence of effectiveness, yet Ivermectin is being shipped now on the basis of what was poor evidence but is now actually withdrawn.
If it works? Do the studies, get double blind numbers and let's go. There is no conspiracy suppressing it and let's be honest. If ivermectin works, it is a quick, easy and cheap win. Believing that it is being suppressed by big pharma because they want to push new drugs? Just dexamethasone alone flies in the face of that logic.
How can you do a double blind study now with vaccine's available?
Are you going to tell 20,000 trialists they can't get a vaccine and put them in danger?
Ivermection doesnt seem to work really strong in trials alright.
I think there is something there tbh, but unlikely to be ever used as a treatment in ireland going by HIQA reports.
Fluvoxamine in that together trial worked quite strong and has to date in all previous trials.
HIQA seems to hold it high enough regards a promising treatment in future.
My bet is on fluvoxamine to be given to persons when diagnosed with covid.
It reduces cytokine storms that cause severe illness and long covid.
Apparently people with long covid have higher blood clotting risk etc from all the inflammation in body. Fluvoxemine deals with that.
We need to reduce both infection risk (vaccines) and serious harms risk (vaccines and early theurapeutics at home).
Interventions to prevent progression_ Evidence summary (hiqa.ie)
https://www.skirsch.io/how-to-treat-covid/
Brutal. The idiot who wrote this, Steve Kirsch, has zero expertise in virology, immunology, or any area of medicine.
He states on the same website:
vaccination is more likely to kill you than save you.
Mask wearing is political theater. It's actually harmful.
And, unsurprisingly, he's linking to a small number of shady 'doctors' who offer online consultations - $200 for 15 minutes - that promise to prescribe Ivermectin. A true humanitarian.
As apposed to hse: sit and home for 8 days and pray you get better yourself.
98% will be ok.
HSE is suggesting that people get vaccinated and not get Covid in the first place, rather than giving them the FREEDOM to get sick and then get treated with horse paste. Truly evil.
1 in 5 hospital admissions are fully vaccinated.
This figure will grow close to 100% over the next few weeks and months.
What then?
This may come as a TOTAL SURPRISE, but here on Earth One, when there is a new, unknown illness, a common, regular process among medical professionals is to try out many already existing medications that were originally developed for different illnesses, and see how they work for the new illness.
This is why as of summer 2020, death rate among hospitalised Covid patients was already much lower than early in the pandemic.
The fact that the conspiracy crowd singles out random unsuccessful medications (Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin) for their insane narrative of the day ('vaccines kill') says nothing about the actual medical community, but a lot about a bunch of people who arguably have a screw loose.
...and to elaborate on my 'screw loose' comment:
Here's an Amazon page for Ivermectin Paste - Apple Flavored Horse Dewormer
Actual user questions and reviews:
I need 12 mg of ivermectin. How much of a plunger would that be?
How do I learn about use in humans?
Hydroxycloroquin, Ivermectin, Budesonide. Perfect preventative measures!
It works for the o vid. (176 people found this helpful)
This does the trick for parasites in human.
Lifesaving Ivermectin in palatable form.
Just in case!! Better safe!!! Along with listerene, vitamin D3, mushrooms, vitamin c, magnesium and zinc and green tea!!!
We treat them with things that are known to work, not veterinary medicines being shilled by conspiracy theories
If that does turn out to be Ivermectin in the end, grand, but let's not poison people for the hell of it when there's no good evidence at all
Just wondering...
When you're off browsing in the information super-highway, do you have any handy way to tell the difference between something reputable and a scam?
But its too late at that point.
They have probably been infected 2 weeks at that point.
I wouldnt take ivermectin.
couldnt get it here anyhow.
None of these are ever going to be handed out like smarties on receipt of a positive PCR test. They - those shown to actually work in proper trials, not whatever random Internet people say - will all be for treatment for those hospitalised.
Why is hiqa doing up these reports every few months from 2021 then?
To confirm that nothing is going to be handed out like smarties after a positive PCR test, basically
"The evidence identified and included in this review does not currently support the use of any pharmaceutical intervention outside of clinical trials.
No evidence was identified for non–pharmaceutical interventions."
Additionally, we haven't moved to a phase where it is considered safe or sane to treat those seriously ill outside of a hospital environment.
Mentions all of these drugs, even ivermectin (ambulatory setting means outpatient basis).
Care to retract your sentence above?
Retract based on what?
There is no recommendation for any out patient medication. There likely never will be. People who are sick enough to need medication for this need to be in hospital.
I see your moving the goal posts now.
You said earlier nobody would receive any treatments outside of a hospital.
HIQA reports online bombed your shite assumption on that.
Of course they are not going to hand out anything now unlike USA.
In 6 months or a year will there be treatments for covid to help prevent you being hospitalised.
You will ring your doctor and he will give you a course of fluvoxamine or come in for a course of monocal antibodies at local hospital as an outpatient or whatever other treatment. There is literally thousands of treatments on trial currently.
At that stage treatments will have went through 3 or 4 large trials.
Thats were this is heaed to LIVE with COVID.
USA are just alot less regulated than us and probably 6 months ahead of us with regards to people taking stuff before going to hospital.
You said there would never be covid treatment outside of a hospital.
2 X HIQA reports 2021 - interventions in an ambulatory setting to prevent severe covid.
Obviously HIQA are thinking you are wrong.
Vitamin C at home, Vitamin D at home, rest, parecetemol.
Yes the above will stop people being hospitalised with covid.
By the time an irish person lands into hospital with covid hes been infected 2 weeks untreated.
HIQAs report recommends no treatments in your cited reports. Which just backs up my claim. They evaluated the options and decided against all of them - and they will continue to do so.
Fluvoxamine has hideous side effects including inducing suicidial ideation in many recipients, it won't be given in unmonitored scenarios.
Monoclonal antibodies are so expensive and difficult to give they will only ever be used in hospital
Anything which is found to work will be used in hospitals. That's it.
Why are doing the reports then about outpatient care before severe covid.
You should write to them and tell them they are wasting their time.
You could save them thousands.
You really are an armchair expert.
Fluvoxamine causes depressed people to be more depressed.
Convincing argument.
They are doing reports to show that the "armchair experts" recommending any old crap they read on the internet are wrong. We need these reports to stop people demanding anti-malarials, veterinary dewormers and so on from their GPs.
If you don't believe that certain classes of antidepressants can induce suicidal ideation, you don't have enough basic medical knowledge to even try understand the trials you think you understand.
Throwing up 25 year old papers you found while desperately Googling isn't "doing your own research", by the way. There are newer studies, many in fact, than that. Its proven to the point that its on the SPC as a potential side effect, and has been for decades.
Did you read trial data above on fluvoxamine?
No link.
Where is your evidence?
Anecdotal is it?
Sounds like your argument against ivermectin.
Ivermectin treatment is based on anecdotal evidence it works.
Weak evidence in trials it works.
Fluvoxamine safety is based on 40 year history and trails that its safe.
Annecdotal evidence it casues suicidal thoughts.
At the end of the day who takes antidepressants?
People more at risk of suicide.
Of course your going to see more people on antidepressants thinking about suicide.
They are at risk persons to begin with.
You cant have it both ways?
The bias is dripping out of you.
Just go read the SPC that comes in a packet.
Your 25 year old Google result is hopelessly outdated.
The manufacturers accept that there is a heightened risk of suicidal ideation.
There is a doctor in Adare that prescribes those, plus antivirals and anti parasitic drugs like HIQA, Ivermectin and antibiotics like doxycycline if needed to his patients immediately after they’ve tested positive
He has supposedly treated hundreds of patients and none of them needed to be hospitalised from that early treatment
I don’t know about anyone else but if I get covid bad I won’t be waiting around taking paracetamol, praying i get better like the HSE advice 18 months into this
Ill be going to that doctor for antiviral medication and anything else on offer
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