I haven't seen any reliable, non-propagandistic reporting about whether vaccines reduce rates of transmission.
You therefore mean that you haven't any of the posts from today that included sources, like this one?
Plus, I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into getting something that could render me a gibbering, mute wreck for the rest of my days for the hypothetical good of someone else.
I would highly recommend never leaving your house then because Covid is much more likely to cause that regardless of your age or health.
I just spent some time reading articles about anti vaxxers dying from covid, I'm ashamed to admit it that some of the stories made me chuckle.
If the vaccine was 100% effective I'd not be bothered about the anti vaxxers, Id see it as a purging of the gene pool. But unfortunately even with the vaccine your at a slight risk so I believe anti vaxxers are a danger to society.
I've had my 2 jabs and thankfully all my family have proven intelligent enough to follow suit.
lol!! I think you’ve succumbed to scaremongering tbh!
a gibberish mute wreck indeed.
Also that’s an incredibly selfish attitude tbh.
Imagine chuckling at anyone dying, ever. Even sociopaths know how to fake empathy when it's appropriate, such as when a family loses a loved one.
Would you notice the difference?
Hoisted on their own petard. The loss of life is never funny, but the irony associated with vocal anti vaxxers succumbing to Covid does not illicit any empathy from me.
It’s quite sad to read comments like this. I know it’s a divisive and emotional issue, but these are human beings with families and loved ones.
It’s hypocrisy for people to pat themselves and their intelligent circle on the backs for taking a vaccine to help achieve best herd protection we can, while knowing the fastest way to get people hesitant to be vaccinated to dig their heels in, is to ridicule them, call them stupid and laugh when they catch covid and die:(
Someone genuinely civic-minded would try to encourage and explain, with rational debate, why people should be vaccinated, and persist persuading, despite personal frustration.
'If the vaccine was 100% effective I'd not be bothered about the anti vaxxers, Id see it as a purging of the gene pool.'
It isn't a purging of the gene pool if they already had children before they died.
Rather a live sociopath, than a dead recipient of the Darwin award.
Incorrect, if your dead you can't procreate, hence the stupidity gene you have cannot be passed on.
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Hoisted on their own petard
You can't really be hoisted on a petard, unless the petard was being hoisted for some reason with you standing on top of it. That'd be an odd enough situation and certainly in breach of whatever H&S regulations for the handling of explosives happened to be in force in the early seventeenth century.
Er but if you have already procreated prior to your death then your genes have already been passed on. So your genetic influence hasn't been removed by the fact of your dying.
So if these anti-vaxxers had children before they died then their genetic influence will carry on (assuming their offspring survived).
These are humans beings endangering the lives of others with families and loved ones due to their selfish actions.
If there is going to be any group of people dying, and there is, I would rather it be the selfish and ignorant than the selfless and vulnerable.
AT what point did I say all anti vaxxers will catch Covid and die!!??
Fact remains "if" you get covid and your an anti vaxxer and "if" you have not procreated your stupidity gene dies with you. Hence the gene pool is better off, there is no cure for stupidity and the gene pool will never be totally free of them.
It’s not funny, far from it, it’s very sad, people dying from ignorance, to a degree we all bear a responsibility for their death, we failed to communicate how important the vaccine is to them.
I hope you are passing on your intelligence gene ChickenDish. Very important for the collective.
Further to this, essentially the entire country, including people that have passed away, have abided by strict and onerous regulations for 1+ years. Posters in this thread are acting like heroes for getting a vaccine that they evidently know zero about outside of Twitter posts and thejournal.ie comments, when we've all been in the same boat. I'm not sure why they feel morally superior in laughing at people who suffered in the last year of their life. Really low stuff ITT.
You think they would show noblesse oblige towards their (intellectual) inferiors..but no. Very poor stuff.
I beg to differ, ignorance is no defence here. Arrogance and people's inflated sense of intelligence is. Thousands of the most intelligent people on the planet tell you, get the vaccine it's in your best interest - NO, I know better and some crank on Facebook says I'll grow a second head.
Explain to me again why ignorance is a defence?!
You are presumably talking about yourself in this statement, considering that you've stated several false opinions as if they were fact?
Yes. And I personally know just one vaccine resistant person - after all they are very much a minority that hopefully will make little to no difference to eventual outcome - but this person is loving and thoughtful, popular, funny and kind, and like you say has followed guidelines and worried about keeping family and friends safe throughout. The thought of someone laughing at them dying with Covid gives me a pain in my chest and makes me wonder what kind of society we are trying to protect this last year and a half.
As you state that this person is thoughtful, I assume the reason you believe that this person didn't get the vaccine is due to ignorance rather than selfishness?
Can’t tell you for sure. Partially fear maybe. This person isn’t stupid, or selfish. But their personal circumstances were disproportionately adversely affected by restrictions, so I believe there was feeling of helplessness, which was maybe alleviated by discovering others who felt they were privy to ‘inside’ science/information that they think the rest of us aren’t aware of.
I don’t believe it’s an either or, selfish or ignorant, situation.
I believe this person is a good person.
But a good person can still be an ignorant person, can't they? Likewise, an ignorant person is not necessarily a stupid person.
Based on your description, it would seem that person quite naturally falls into the ignorant camp, no? Doesn't mean I'm suggesting that person is not a good person or is a stupid person. Just a person that let feelings overwhelm facts.
'These are humans beings endangering the lives of others with families and loved ones due to their selfish actions.'
The scapegoating narrative is firmly in place.
The poster likely doesn't know why the person is vaccine resistant: could be due to adverse reaction to a prior vaccine, for all anyone other than their doctor knows.
I'd rather deal with an ultra-cautious vaccine resistor than a throw-caution-to-the-wind vaccinated person, any day.
>'The trials did "have the power" to say they reduce death rates(and hospitalisations), the hard data backed this up'
Why do you put "have the power" in quotes? Each trial protocol lists the number of events required to reach a certain level of power with the statistical tests they perform, and this number of events wasn't reached in any trial to determine that they reduce deaths. There was 1 death attributable to COVID-19 amongst the 30k participants in the Moderna trial over the course of 2 years, and zero deaths attributable to COVID-19 in the Pfizer trial amongst 35k participants over the course of 2 years. The trials did not determine that vaccines prevent death, and the researchers do not claim that they do.
Crazy stuff.
The poster quite clearly indicated that It wasn't for those reasons.
Go on.
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