I know 2 people personally who still suffer very bad fatigue over 1 year later. both 35 to 45 range and previously very active / fit. we're not talking about obese smokers. or people prone to over-exaggerating illness. one had a bad case of initial illness, other one was very mild initially. So I wouldn't fancy that thank you very much. Neither can do sport / exercise now.
Israel seem to think the **** is about to hit the fan. Weirdly this article doesn't even mention the vaccines, except as an aside about the green pass. I think they have given up on them being able to provide any long term protection.
Its posted upthread
Mayo clinic study
One from Qatar now from 1.2 million people.
Also worth noting that long covid can with some people take months after initial infection (even asymptomatic) to manifest itself.
“How do you feel?”
”Not well”
”Have you had Covid?”
”Yes”/ “No”
”Aha, long Covid” / “Hmmm, let’s run some more tests”
Rrrright
Believe what you want but from what I know of the people (2) that I personally know you don't want to be affected if you enjoy doing any form of exercise heretofore.
Quality of life is definitely reduced.
I am not saying it doesn’t exist, I am saying it’s over counted.
Also know 2 people with long.term effects. One in 40s has to use walking stick a year later. Another female marathon runner in her 30s who was out of breath for 5 months after doing any exercise. If I was someone who wasn't active I wouldn't be as concerned about long covid .I know plenty of people who sit on their ass all day and wouldn't notice if they had shortness of breath as they never exert themselves anyway! I do however wish they'd distinguish between those who eg lose sense of smell for a few months Vs those who suffer real loss of quality of life for over 3 months and gave those stats. Even if it's just 2% odds of severe long term effects, that's too high a gamble for me so going to continue to avoid getting covid as long as possible
That is exactly what happens in reporting. Story of someone with long term debilitating effects followed by statement that 15% of people have symptoms lasting more than 30 days. This equates the real debilitating effects suffered by a very small number with the large number who experience some symptoms that last a bit longer than average, as with many other viruses
yes - same here. don't want to be getting it.
I had hoped that the vaccine would reduce the amount of Long Covid cases on breakthrough infections but that's not what the data so far is saying.
One of the people that I know has the bad fatigue coming up on 17 months now is a relation and if getting long covid is in any way related to genetics then I do not want to be going there.
who really knows what the real long covid percentage and in terms of symptoms after 12 weeks being the definition most widely accepted
Symptoms being ->
“This includes but is not limited to the cardiovascular, respiratory, gastrointestinal, neurological, musculoskeletal, metabolic, renal, dermatological, otolaryngological, haematological and autonomic systems, in addition to psychiatric problems, generalised pain, fatigue and persisting fever"
Some poor bastards get multiple serious symptoms hanging around
I don't think the percentage affected beyond very minor symptoms is necessarily as small as some may assume either and it's more the more serious symptoms that persist as oppose to the minor ones, fatigue / reduction in physical ability being the most common it seems.
the higher risk groups of getting it are people over 50, women, people who may have had a more severe case or at least multiple symptoms initially as opposed to one. so if you know less people in those groups who had covid, less likely to have heard of a case.
a good number of people can also recover from the initial symptoms but get long covid symptoms later - months down the line
It's hypothesised (not proven definitively yet) that many long covid cases are due to the immune system thrown out of whack by the virus (working against the body) and that's why the delay can be there.
Sure, maybe we'll get to a stage where nobody dies anymore.
From my extended family, two aunts on my mother's side have had serious reactions. One collapsed at home after her first injection. They can't stabilise her blood pressure. She's been in care since, and it looks like she won't come home again.
Her sister had a different reaction. She had no appetite, she could hardly move, and her body appeared to be shutting down. We didn't think she would make it through the Friday night after getting her second injection on the Tuesday. The doctor gave her a dose of morphine, and she pulled through.
A cousin had a heart problem after his first. His heart was racing for days, and they couldn't figure out why, or get his heart rate down at the hospital. It came right after a few days, and he went for his second all the same.
An aunt on my father's side had swollen legs and serious trouble breathing after her second. Her breathing hasn't improved. She's still in hospital, and it looks like she won't make it.
My father had fatigue for a week and a pain down his right leg after the first. He didn't get the second.
were talking about Long Covid - not vaccine reactions.
on the other hand, seems really unlucky that such an amount of reactions occurred in one family group, were either extremely unlucky, or could just be all / mostly made up considering an anti-vax agenda posting history.
In contrast, nobody in my extended family was diagnosed with Covid or long Covid, though I suspect one case of Covid in December 2019, which lasted about a week.
To suggest that I would make up illnesses about family members to support some kind of "agenda" is sick.
quick scan of your posts heavily anti-vax
must just be a coincidence then tho
so you know nobody who got Covid basically so how would you know anyone who got Long Covid since it only affects a subset of that?
Well I don't believe you either
You went overboard with the makey uppy
My advice is,give less examples if your purpose is to be anti vax or covid denying
You're too late anyway as most professed anti vaxers must be liars if they're that prevalent, given the HSE figures on vaccination take up and what's plain to see in terms of vaccination benefits
What a Delta mess. And it is only Summer. This aint over.
You can thank the anti vaxxers and give them a big pat on the back.
When will our current Delta surge peak? Soon or in a month or so.
Damn that’s crap news
If vaccines have dropped to 50% efficacy at preventing symptomatic infection infection we are in big trouble as CHR is around 2% now and the best we can hope for is 1% CHR, as 99% prevention of hospitalisation from vaccines once infected is the best results we saw in trials of Pfizer
Take our population of 5,000,000 and apply that 50% efficacy vs the old 95% and it’s bad news
5,000,000/95/99 = 2,500 CHR ( case hospitalisation rate )
5,000,000/50/99 = 25,000 CHR
Every percent in efficacy drop in preventing symptomatic infection is a lot more hospitalisations
Restrictions will be coming back, no doubt about it now, alarm bells will be rang soon from governments worldwide
Sorry, but can someone please tell me, what does ‘CHR’ stand for? Thanks
If there's waning immunity with vaccines, how come if you're vaccinated and a close contact, you don't have to restrict movements?
Case hospitalisation rate
Its sitting at about 2% now in Ireland
For every 1000 cases we get daily, 20 go to hospital
6 weeks ago on the 9th of July we had 50 in hospital
Today we have 248 in hospital
400% increase in 6 weeks
If that keeps up
We will have 1250 in hospital here in 6 weeks at start of October
So we'll have restrictions here again soon enough?
Pfizer have said themselves it is waning. However the report that they conducted was based on trials where the data collection was completed at the start of June. The countries that the data was conducted in unfortunately had very low levels of Delta prevelance at the time it was concluded so it is difficult to know what the findings are in real time against that for most things with Delta basically.
However there is good news. Early data out of Israel seems to suggest that boosters have a rapid response in cases and hospital problems. So it looks like it may be a good idea for countries who gave out Pfizer to the early cohorts maybe to get a move on in looking into it IMHO.
Looks like it alright
I don't understand how they can impose restrictions again with alot of us vaccinated. And not sure what they can do to manage this.
Yeah it’s a crap situation
If the efficacy of vaccines have dropped considerably like posters above have mentioned then there is nothing the government can do but bring in restrictions until boosters or a new vaccine is given out
I personally think boosters of the same vaccine is a waste of time, as it’s just kicking the can, as other 2 doses didn’t work well enough
Would be much better to get a new vaccine tailored to the delta and other variants
Generation 2 vaccines basically
Maybe not even if the vaccine isn't as effective the surge will peak and drop off at some point. When is the question.
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