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N86 - Tralee to Dingle [advance works ongoing for Phase 3]

ongarboy

http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/an-bord-pleanala-gives-go-ahead-to-e70-million-upgrade-of-main-dingle-tralee-road/

I couldn't see a thread on this forum already but good news this week on the go ahead given by ABP to the improvement of the N86 between Tralee (from Camp) and Dingle (28kms). There is already an improved short section near Annascaul that gives a flavour of how impressive, safe and attractive the new route will be for all road users (with dedicated paths for cyclists/walkers). It will also make Dingle far more accessible to the rest of Ireland. Delighted to hear this news!

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Mc Love

I think they should spend their money re-establishing the rail line :pac:

In all seriousness, if there is a protected cycle path along there, it will only help motorists as they wont have to be driving slowly behind and waiting for an opportunity to overtake

Quackster

Mc Love wrote: »

I think they should spend their money re-establishing the rail line :pac:

In all seriousness, if there is a protected cycle path along there, it will only help motorists as they wont have to be driving slowly behind and waiting for an opportunity to overtake

Problem with these shared walking/cycling paths is they don't suit some cyclists who will then continue to use the road. IMO a much better solution is to have a shared walking/cycling path on just one side of the road (like on the Tralee Bypass but wider) whilst also having hard shoulders of reasonable width too.

But the powers that be know better...

Rojomur

I was in Dingle last week. The sooner the upgrade to surface in Annascaul village gets done the better. Its shocking. Gleann na nGealt is a dream to drive but between the old fish farm on the lispole straight and the turn up to the high road into Dingle is fairly poor and bumpy...as you leave Dingle towards lispole...around 200 metres before Vincent Henahans Garage..any car would be close to getting airborn doing 100 kmph with the series of bumps there. I know there's no tour busses heading west compared to other years but surely kC Council could have done some
Necessary upgrades during Covid quiet traffic

lottpaul

Some initial work has started on the Ballinclare section: there seems to be some earth removal on the right hand side as you drive to Dingle - Raidio Na G says it's to see if an archeological survey is required? I thought all schemes had that included as standard; there's a small site yard just on the left past Ballinclare graveyard - it's a dangerous spot as traffic tends to speed up as they leave the bends coming from Dingle; there's some small activity at the old site yard at the Garrynadur scheme too. R na G said they had been told (Cllr Seamus Fitzgerald) that the scheme will commence as expected in 2021 and extends to the eastern side of Annascaul village.

BelfastVanMan

lottpaul wrote: »

Some initial work has started on the Ballinclare section: there seems to be some earth removal on the right hand side as you drive to Dingle - Raidio Na G says it's to see if an archeological survey is required? I thought all schemes had that included as standard; there's a small site yard just on the left past Ballinclare graveyard - it's a dangerous spot as traffic tends to speed up as they leave the bends coming from Dingle; there's some small activity at the old site yard at the Garrynadur scheme too. R na G said they had been told (Cllr Seamus Fiyzgerald) that the scheme will commence as expected in 2021 and extends to the eastern side of Annascaul village.

The western side, surely? Unless they're going to bypass Anascaul.... :-P

lottpaul

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

The western side, surely? Unless they're going to bypass Anascaul.... :-P

I know

but they definitely said the eastern side - I think they were talking about the repaving of the main street.

Will be great fun if they discover some unique ruins in the archeological survey - and being west Kerry the place is littered with them. We'll wait and see

marno21

Eastern side of Annascaul is correct - the pavement through the village is being done too.

BelfastVanMan

marno21 wrote: »

Eastern side of Annascaul is correct - the pavement through the village is being done too.

My apologies, that's great news. My camper shakes itself to bits every time I drive through there.

spacetweek

2021 is very late, the whole scheme Dingle-Tralee was meant to be complete in 2021 according to the original plan.

marno21

spacetweek wrote: »

2021 is very late, the whole scheme Dingle-Tralee was meant to be complete in 2021 according to the original plan.

Where did you get 2021 from?

It's been clear for years to me, as a very close follower of this scheme, that it'll be a long time before this finishes up. I have a small hope that a Green Transport Minister may accelerate parts of it due to the cycling component.

Here's where we stand now:

Completed:
b. Lispole to Ballynasare Lower (2.7km) [completed in 2018]
d. Annascaul to Gortbreagoge (4.2km) [completed in 2012]
g. Ballygarret to Camp (1.1km) [completed in 2018]

Construction in 2021:
c. Ballynasare Lower to Annascaul (4.7km)
f. Doonore North to Ballygarret (2.3km)

Planned:
a. Dingle to Lispole (10.7km)
e. Gortbreagoge to Dooneen North (7.3km)
h. Camp Upper to Camp Lower (1.3km)

The schemes then line up as above from a. at Dingle to h. near the R560 junction at Camp. The villages of Annascaul and Lispole will not be bypassed. The schemes in total comprise 28km of roadway.

By 2023, we will have 15km complete with 19km left to complete. The 4.2km section completed in 2012 was not part of the major N86 Tralee-Dingle scheme and completed separately but is included here for reference.

The one plus is that the most challenging sections of the route from an engineering perspective will be complete by 2023. Most of what's left is the cheapest parts on a per kilometre basis.

Mc Love

You'd think the Dingle to Lispole even though the longest would be the cheapest to do? They have a good bit outside Ballintaggart lined up for widening/straightening for the past odd 7 years

Reuben1210

marno21 wrote: »

Where did you get 2021 from?

It's been clear for years to me, as a very close follower of this scheme, that it'll be a long time before this finishes up. I have a small hope that a Green Transport Minister may accelerate parts of it due to the cycling component.

Here's where we stand now:

Completed:
b. Lispole to Ballynasare Lower (2.7km) [completed in 2018]
d. Annascaul to Gortbreagoge (4.2km) [completed in 2012]
g. Ballygarret to Camp (1.1km) [completed in 2018]

Construction in 2021:
c. Ballynasare Lower to Annascaul (4.7km)
f. Doonore North to Ballygarret (2.3km)

Planned:
a. Dingle to Lispole (10.7km)
e. Gortbreagoge to Dooneen North (7.3km)
h. Camp Upper to Camp Lower (1.3km)

The schemes then line up as above from a. at Dingle to h. near the R560 junction at Camp. The villages of Annascaul and Lispole will not be bypassed. The schemes in total comprise 28km of roadway.

By 2023, we will have 15km complete with 19km left to complete. The 4.2km section completed in 2012 was not part of the major N86 Tralee-Dingle scheme and completed separately but is included here for reference.

The one plus is that the most challenging sections of the route from an engineering perspective will be complete by 2023. Most of what's left is the cheapest parts on a per kilometre basis.

Do you have any sources for outline route maps overlayed on the existing road?

BelfastVanMan

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Do you have any sources for outline route maps overlayed on the existing road?

It does say 2021 on Spacetweek's Irishmotorwayinfo.com

Reuben1210

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

It does say 2021 on Spacetweek's Irishmotorwayinfo.com

ok. I'm just wondering if there is any outline routes to view out of curiosity..

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

Where did you get 2021 from?

I no longer have that noted anywhere, but I believe when the scheme began serious work in 2016 it was stated that it would be complete by 2021.

marno21

https://www.radiokerry.ie/tender-documents-major-kerry-road-upgrade-due-year-end/

* Project will go to tender before end of 2020
* €1.4m allocation for 2020 was used to finance land acquisition
* Advance works & ground investigations coming to a conclusion

Paddico

Why not a 2x2 road anyone know.

I see Turlough to Westport is 2x2

BelfastVanMan

Paddico wrote: »

Why not a 2x2 road anyone know.

I see Turlough to Westport is 2x2

Wesport to Turlough is a National Primary, whereas the N86 is a National Secondary route, and a tourist one at that, so traffic levels only justify single carriageway.

Pedestrians and cyclist will benefit greatly, too, as the new road is a Type 3 Single Carriageway, with seperate cyclepaths/footpaths.

lottpaul

Great video by Pat Duffy of the site of the archeological works on the Ballinclare to Baile na Saor section. It's only when you see it from above that you get a good idea of how much of an improvement the new section will be. (It's speeded up a bit - just in case anyone thinks that's how we drive back here!)
From the beginning to about 1.28 is looking west to Lispole, then from there to the end is looking back east towards Annascaul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMum-XBgcDE

Kevwoody

Great video indeed! I actually love driving this road, those hairpins add great character to the route, but obviously from a safety point of view they've got to go.
The deep ravine at 2.08 in the video, is the new road going straight across it? Serious amount of fill required if so!

lottpaul

Kevwoody wrote: »

Great video indeed! I actually love driving this road, those hairpins add great character to the route, but obviously from a safety point of view they've got to go.
The deep ravine at 2.08 in the video, is the new road going straight across it? Serious amount of fill required if so!

I'd presume so. I'm not sure though whether it's a direct straight line or whether it will curve inwards a bit and avoid the deepest part of the drop. It's also on a very steep climb so that may be a factor in the design too.

marno21

Any word locally on what the hold up is here?

Given the cycleway element I would have thought this would sail ahead but it doesn't seem to be moving at all.

lottpaul

Don't have any info I'm afraid. Am not over east too often but had to go to Annascaul today and saw several (4 or 5) cars parked in the site yard on the eastern side but no activity at all, bar one guy on his hands and knees with what my passenger declared to be a trowel - I couldn't honestly tell you: it's a busy corner and not one to linger on! There was one machine parked up at the western end of things and it didn't seem to have moved for a while.
Clearly there are people on site but there's no sign of any construction work or the machinery needed to do it at all.
Have heard no mention at all on R na G either so will ask around in the next few days to see if anyone has heard what's going on - or not, as seems to be the case.

marno21

Looks like there was a holdup with archaelogical work during the lockdown in early 2021 according to the Council here: http://docstore.kerrycoco.ie/KCCWebsite/meetings/castle/minutes/mar21.pdf

At a guess that would mean a tender issue in Q3 2021 unless some other speed bump has been hit. The advance works is very visible along the N86 between the end of the recently complete Ballynasare section and Annascaul village now.

lottpaul

I noticed today that the temporary car park and container-type offices etc have been removed from the eastern end of Annalack bends (first acute bend coming from Dingle) and the area levelled. There's no sign of anything at the previous site on the western side either. It's now all clear and ready for work by machines, whenever that may happen.

BelfastVanMan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117728366#Comment_117728366

Great news, sounds imminent.

cheerylemon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732223#Comment_117732223

Well, better get down there with the camera!

Me: (remembers I live in Westmeath with no reliable transportation)

Bugger.

cheerylemon

I've had a brilliant idea not related to my post above.

I have a few pictures of strip maps I hand drew in a notebook. One of them had a scheme for the M21.

Coupled with the N86 works, if they do an M21 extension to Tralee that would be great for Kerry.

I've even though of a really bureaucratic name for it: the Strategic Southwest Motorway Plan(SSWMP).

Part 1(M20 extension, needed to make M21)

patrickswell-croom.jpg

buttevant-blarney.jpg

croom-buttevant.jpg

Part 2(the M21 itself)

patrickswell-newcastlewest.jpg

newcastlewest-castleisland.jpg

castleisland-tralee.jpg

BelfastVanMan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117766346#Comment_117766346

Great idea, but I believe the best we'll get on the N21 beyond Rathkeale will be Type 2 Dual.

Love the name of it, by the way

😀

cheerylemon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117768162#Comment_117768162

Type 2 dual is fine by me! Anything to bypass all the towns mentioned in the map!
Thanks!