A delta recurrence is happening in India. Not a good sign.
Also, UK delta cases might be starting to tick up again.
Nothing too alarming coming from India at the moment . Cases still hovering around the 40k especially from a country largely un vaccinated. Population 1.3 billion.
it’s equivalent to approx 150 cases a day in Ireland. But keep banging on your keyboard in desperation to find as much misery as you can though, looking forward to it.
No idea where you're getting your figures.
India's cases have plateaued completely. Their 7 day average is literally a horizontal line.
UK 7 day average is around the 25k the whole time, not sure what you mean by an uptick.
Sounds fairly right wing statement tbh. The virus is good for you. This was always a mild illness for 90% of the population. What about the 10% were it was severe. This group are actually less likely to respond to vaccines (vaccines 90% effective). They need theurapeutics (ivermectin/fluvoxamine) to take at home if they get sick, rather than being told to get on with your life and take your chances. If you get sick sit at home for a week and pray you dont need to go to hospital. Where is the government/nphet/hse on theurapetics at home 18 months into a pandemic and told to get on with life with circa 2,000 cases a day?
A joke of a government.
Vaccines cannot be seen in a vacumn, which this governments approach seems to be.
This report by HIQA is six months old at the height of yet another wave. Where is their update?
No one has an idea what the figures really are in India. Most of the population never even see a Doctor, or a flush toilet, nevermind a Covid test.
It does seem to have slowed though.
Not the best news we need at the moment
Spain also. No idea when the care home residents were vaccinated or what with but both Belgium and Spain were one of those countries that banned AZ for use in older people early on. Hopefully just isolated breakouts
Well we are always going hear of the few that will die ( bad physical condition)especially in the media. That’s a bigger disease than the virus itself. We’ll never hear of the 70-80% who never even got infected though thanks to vaccination.
Meanwhile in Galway i hear that all in intensive care are un vaccinated. Suprise surprise
When you misread. In essence having a asymptomatic /mild breakthrough infection in a vaccinated individual is as good as a vaccine booster
Many were in their 90s and already in poor physical condition.
It's not like they were all healthy 20 year olds.
It's obviously sad but these things will happen.
I never misread.
You never mentioned asymtomatic/mild break through in your posts I responded to.
Who cares about the mild cases?
Its the cases that are not mild countries worry about before or after vaccines?
Over 80% of adult population vaccinated and still plenty of covid hospital admissions each day.
Without vaccines that figure would be many times that and we would currently be locked down.
We need early treatments for people before hospitalisation to have better overall outcomes.
You keep banging on about mild cases with 20 people and rising being admitted to hospital each day.
Its not mild if your going to hospital.
I always hated the "equivalent to x in Ireland" downplaying rhetoric - 40k cases of virus spreads very differently to 150 cases, so it's not really equivalent. Not saying India isn't doing better than before, but the comparisons to Ireland seem fairly pointless.
As Deeper Blue says they are flat with their cases so doesn’t really matter whether it’s 40k or 150, it still gives an idea of prevalence per 100k of people. RTE have no fresh reports of bodies floating down the river.
Unless of course it doesn’t suit the narrative i can understand why some will do their best to twist it all around to make 40k sound as awful as possible. But the reality is It’s quite low out of 1.3 billion people.
We appear to be discussing two separate things.
But for clarity, when we were last at this number of cases there were nearly 2,000 people in hospital. Now there are less than 200
I still feel we are treating those people being admitted everyday not particularly well, nearly two years into a pandemic where we know plenty about this virus and its disease progression.
You just pluck arbitary numbers out and say its all grand now.
It must be great to be you where the world is so black and white.
If your high risk, sitting at home taking parecetemol for a week before going into hospital is poor care by government/nphet/hse.
Earlier treatment at home is critical to those people.
Thats my issue.
If we could deal with that end of things effectively I think we could actually open society even greater.
Can you please take the ivermectin talk to the ivermectin thread or it's main thread home, the Sweden thread! lol
I didnt realise you were promoted to being a moderator.
What about the 10% were it was severe. This group are actually less likely to respond to vaccines (vaccines 90% effective).
In the Pfizer trial symptomatic covid was reduced by about 95%, and severe covid by almost as much - see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7745181/ - What makes you say the 10% who would get severe Covid are less likely to respond to vaccine?
They need theurapeutics (ivermectin/fluvoxamine) to take at home if they get sick, rather than being told to get on with your life and take your chances.
On what are basing your confidence in Ivermectin and Fluvoxamine as theurapeutics? Just interested as I looked up Ivermectin and there may be some benefit but results from the various (relatively) small trials were not conclusive?
PHE data on delta says Pfzier and AZ stop severe covid circa 90%.
What about the 10% that need further help?
Covid was a mild illness for most from the start.
We didnt go into lockdown because of the mild cases of circa 80-90%.
When a vaccine offers 90% protection, this means that you are 90% less likely to develop severe Covid than an unvaccinated person is. It doesn’t mean 10% of vaccinated people will get severe Covid.
If there was data to support it, it would be used
Yes, because the vaccines don't confer immunity, let alone long term. The mildly protective effect lasts circa 5 months its looking like.
So it's also advantageous to an unvaccinated individuals long term immunity to be exposed to the virus, and after that they will most likely make antibodies for life.
The vaccines are a lot more than “mildly protective”.
Sorry, I meant protection from infection in the first place, aka immunity, which prior to now was the very definition of a vaccine. So what the poster I replied to said about exposure being advantageous to vaccinated individuals, also applies to unvaccinated too because it actually confers immunity.
Just to make sure we're talking about the same 10%. Without a vaccine a certain percentage of people who get Covid will progress to severe Covid. With a vaccine only 10% of that 'certain percentage' will get severe covid, and the other 90% of the 'certain percentage' will be protected from severe Covid. If you get time read the results from the Pfizer trial here - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7745181/
Quick summary of that trial data
I imagine the other vaccines are somewhat similar as their effectiveness is supposed to be broadly similar.
That Pfizer trial was published 20/12/2020. Delta did not exist then and it is quite obvious that vaccines are not working as well against it. Basically it is out of date now.
Yes, the Pfizer trial was was before the delta variant appeared. However when you say "Basically it is out of date now" you are in danger of misleading people. Recent reports suggest it is still very effective (after second dose) at preventing severe Covid, with percentages ranging from late 80% to over 90%, which is not a large drop from the original trial. See the following:
Nobody is misleading anybody. You are making the assumption that i was talking about preventing severe Covid, i said "and it is quite obvious that vaccines are not working as well against it" which is true, otherwise why would we need boosters ?
Up to date data from the UK 4/8/2021 is incomplete yet and won't be for a couple of months yet.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009175/S1328_Vaccine_Effectiveness_table_.pdf
NEJM one is from "Data regarding vaccinations that had occurred up to May 16, 2021" That means 2nd doses will of been completed 3 weeks prior to that, so again no Delta.
Strange you do not put the most up to date real world data up and include a study of 200 people in Singapore.
Obviously goes without saying if i had a choice i would much prefer a vaccine to be better at saving my life than catching it.
Here Director of the CDC
My reply, explaining about the Pfizer trial, was itself in reply to another poster who seemed to misunderstand how the vaccine worked. I was trying to show that not alone does the vaccine reduce symptomatic Covid, but it also reduces severe Covid by a similar percentage.
You then replied to my post, to the effect that Pfizer trial data '... is out of date now'. Be that as it may, you were referring to a different context. In the context of what I was replying to the Pfizer trial data was perfectly relevant. I then further replied to your reply to say that the effectiveness against severe Covid wasn't dramatically reduced, as the context, which you may not have grasped, was still 'severe Covid'.
Firstly, why would that be strange? I'm not a professional in any of this, I simply did a bit of searching! Secondly, that last link I gave was actually a link to, and excerpt from, the Singapore study!!
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