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Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

spaceHopper

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-will-begin-vaccinating-children-as-soon-as-niac-gives-the-green-light-reid-1227045

Personally right now no.

It's approved for emergency use only

The data says it risk to kids from covid is very low. Up to now the irish government have said this, they are starting to change their tune. The risk from the vaccine is unknown.

Ten years out and children who developed narcolepsy from swine flu vaccines are still fighting for compensation.

The way the article puts it he expects NIAC to approve it. There is no if they feel it is save....

The introduction of the vaccine pass for anything other than international travel crossed a line for me. I fully expect it to be expanded to busses/trains.., college some jobs and possibly even schools.

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mcmoustache

I personally wouldn't want want to let my kids take their chances with covid. The stories about cognitive impairment and other long term effects from it are scarier than the risk posed by vaccines.

Toodles_27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670765#Comment_117670765

If you want to try to bully me into agreement by painting me out to be an irrational hysterical parent who is super selfish putting her child in danger and may even become responsible for granny’s untimely end…..work away.

I think you’ll find on a read back through this thread that there is a large number who feel exactly as I do.

mcmoustache

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670807#Comment_117670807

I'm just amazed that parents would be more willing to let their kids catch covid and take their chances with what that virus does to their body over a vaccine which is out of your system once your body learns to handle it.

Toodles_27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670828#Comment_117670828

Yep. That’s it. You’ve hit the nail on the head, that’s exactly what I want 🙄

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670419#Comment_117670419

I get your anxiety. I honestly do.

HPV vaccine was new in 2010 when my child received it. MenB was new in 2016. Now many parents don't think twice about getting their kids these vaccinations, they see them as routine. But all vaccines are new at some point. The Covid19 vaccine is this generation's turn.

I keep reading "children are not at risk from Covid19" - but vaccinating children against covid is not just about preventing them for contracting Covid19. Its about protecting the public health.

I get your anxiety.

But in my view, continuing to delay vaccinating your kids once an approved vaccine is made available really means what you're waiting for is for someone else's kids to take on that risk first, while you sit it out and let them.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670699#Comment_117670699

Again you are buying into the false information being disembarked. The trials are not incomplete. It is the outright and complete lies of the anti vaccine lobby that has convinced some otherwise. And each time they see otherwise supportive individuals of vaccines but into their nonsense they give a little smile.

Del Griffith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117669910#Comment_117669910

Bizarre way to think. The fact that we know Measles so well is exactly why it's so easy to justify vaccination against it in children. It's very serious for them and potentially deadly.

You then say we know next to nothing of the long term affects of covid but that we should fear knowledge that we don't have (???). And this even though every piece of data we do have suggests that there is nothing to fear for children.

Perplexing.

fattymuatty

It's a no brainer for me. My 14 year old wants to be vaccinated and I have no objections to it. My 11 year old will also get it when she turns 12.

One_More_Mile

We won't be getting ours vaccinated this year. Maybe next when more data is available on the possible affects on kids. If that means staying out of restaurants etc so be it.

Feel free to pile on, I'm not for changing

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671030#Comment_117671030

The exact arguments being made about Covid by the anti vaccine lobby were previously made about measles. Fact is for children from about 5 until early adulthood measles is relatively benign before becoming more serious with adult infection once more. Why do we then give a vaccine booster at 5 so?

The anti vaccine lobby is exploiting genuine apprehension in parents about the right thing to do for their children using misrepresentation and lies to engender a false dichotomy where we now have people openly expressing the view that the choice in giving the vaccine to their kids is actually putting them a risk.

Goldengirl

This is a difficult one for sure .

On reading some of the contributions here, I have to say while I am not giving advice as a nurse ( and also a registered children's nurse at that ) I would give this vaccine to my children so that they would be protected from admittedly less than 1% severe illness , and complications like Paediatric Multiinflammatory Syndrome ( MiSC) again rare but very real .

The risks of mild cardiac inflammation / myocarditis are the only major side effect I have read or heard of so far in all the multiple vaccinations given and post vaccination studies. This risk is estimated at about 30 to 40 per million which is less than the incidence of MiSC by long shot .

Children get vaccinated for infections which although may have severe risks those risks are relatively rare eg Meningitis.

This is one of these vaccines.

Most children will be fine if they catch Covid.

A small number will not though.

We would all like more time to assess the vaccines and their side effects but there is only a small window to prevent this very infectious variant from becoming endemic and causing further problems for us and our children down the line.

However that should not be the main priority for any parent in this decision, which I know will go against what other very knowledgeable, respected posters have said 🙄

I also trust NIAC in their professionalism and expert opinion, but I recognise that as a health professional I may be tilting in their favour more than others would.

So yes, I would give this vaccine to my children, am getting my teenager vaxxed, and am supporting my older now adult children in their decision making.

@Toodles_27 Please just try to keep open about it and read reliable information about the vaccines.

Facebook is not the place to read about any kind of medical advice or information. Neither should you listen to neighbours or anyone else who do not have your children's best interests at heart.

You are right to listen to your GP and be guided by him/ her and you are the best person to decide what is right for your own children, having listened to proper advice and guidance.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671069#Comment_117671069

We are the same. Both happily vaccinated but we are planning to wait 1 year and then consider the latest research before allowing the children to get it (12 and 15).

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670807#Comment_117670807

But you accept that this is an irrational fear of yours?

It is interesting that you call yourself an hysterical selfish parent and then justify it by putting others in the same category.

As I said, it's fine to be irrational, people are about their kids, I would be with mine in certain circumstances, but I know when I'm doing that and understand that the issue is with myself and not others and hopefully adult enough not to get defensive when it's pointed out to me.

Toodles_27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671120#Comment_117671120

Thank you. I appreciate your reasoned and knowledgeable response.

From the outset I have said we will speak to our gp. I do not use Facebook for information, no more than I would use google to look up symptoms. Previously when I spoke to our gp, we weren’t dealing with a delta variant. So perhaps the position has changed? I will be guided by their advice. I trust them. If they say it’s best then that is what we will do. I don’t pretend to know more than NIAC & co. I wouldn’t be able to know if a “study” is verifiable or not so I don’t even attempt to search. There is too much misinformation.

It’s an impossible situation in an impossible year.

Once again thank you. If for nothing else but for trying to see if from a non medical, scared parent who is only trying to make the right decision. And for not attacking.

Xcellor

The vaccines being proposed for kids introduce a spike protein - an identifier of sorts which the virus has so the bodies own immune system forms a response to it. Subsequently shortly after is broken down... When this spike or something close to it is recognised again the body is more equipped to handle it.

The rare reactions, enlarged heart can occur when the immune system over compensates. But this reaction can also occur when someone gets covid or some other viruses.

Covid should be a mild illness in kids but not always and long covid which isn't really understood in adults could be the result of organ damage which may not be apparent in a child immediately.

As a parent when my child is ellegible I would be strongly in favour of them getting it.

Head

The main issue I have is we are telling parents they need to vacinate their kids. Do people not get that this is a global pandemic. And irrspective of whether every single peron in Ireland gets vacinated we will not achive herd immunity. We are not a closed population.

We will not prevent this virus becoming endemic, again it is a global pandemic. Variants will not develop in a small population like Ireland. Do the maths.

fun loving criminal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671030#Comment_117671030

Forget the long term effects of covid so. Do you look at the news from around the world at all. Have a look at other countries, e.g. Indonesia where kids are dying of the virus now.

Bass Reeves

Vaccines are the safest form of treatment for any disease you can take. The risk of side effects are multiples less than the risk of the disease.

Imagine yourself locked in a room with a time bomb to go off in 5 minutes. There is 100 buttons on it 99 of the buttons will open the door of the room to allow you to exit safety, one will detonate the bomb.

What would you do.

John_Rambo

Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

Yes. Of course I would.

Lumen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671161#Comment_117671161

The problem with this strategy is that before that year is up your kids are likely to be exposed to the virus in school. This is what's been seen in the UK in June and July as the academic year stretched a long way past their re-opening, and that's in the summer. In winter? Ugh.

This is new information. Back in May the data from Israel looked like it would be possible to snuff out transmission with only 60% of the population vaccinated. Now? It's anyone's guess, but most epidemiologists seem to be guessing at 85%+ vaccination, and that's with immunity spread evenly through the population. We are unlikely to achieve that - we're almost done with 18+ and we're only at 64% with at least one dose of vaccine. That 20% is a yawning chasm to close.

So the choice isn't between the vaccine and nothing, it's between the vaccine and the virus.

Covid in kids is not like in adults. Long covid is a significant multi-organ disease which affects young, low-risk patients. My teenage nephew got Covid a few months ago and experienced significant symptoms for several months.

I'm not taking that risk. Mine will be registered for vaccination the moment it becomes available.

mohawk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671284#Comment_117671284

This is a very important point that many posters are overlooking. A small fraction of the world has been vaccinated and it’s likely to be that way for some time. Our efforts in Ireland alone will not be enough to prevent variants or stop it being endemic. So there is no point getting upset with parents who would make a different decision to yourself. Right now in Ireland we are using the vaccines that we are getting in via deliveries. We are not in a situation where there are thousands of vaccines sitting in warehouses because people won’t take them. People are taking them. Some people will delay but if someone else is taking that vaccine it’s not that big a problem.

We are in uncharted territory regarding using vaccines to get out of a pandemic. It’s never been done before. Theoretically it is very possible to end this pandemic using vaccines, but I don’t believe it can be done with only wealthy nations vaccinated. There is really no point getting upset with parents in Ireland that are planning on waiting. As we see from childhood vaccination program the vast, vast majority of parents are not anti-vaxxers in this country. It will be same with Covid vaccine but it might take a month or two for some to sign their child up.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671284#Comment_117671284

We absolutely can achieve herd immunity. It will never be 100% effective - that is eradication, not herd immunity, and that's not what we're going for.

If enough people get vaccinated, then the proportion of people who are potential carriers drops and drops, meaning the risk of vulnerable people coming into contact with a carrier drops and drops. That's what herd immunity is.

We will never eradicate Covid, we will have to live with it. Getting as many people vaccinated as possible will make living with it easier and quicker. That's the objective here.

whippet

My 12 year old is double vaccinated and has been for a few weeks - no underlying conditions and no side effects.

My wife works in the industry (not directly related to this vaccine) and has seen a huge amount of actual data (not facebook data) and as a fully informed pharma scientist with access to the clinical data had no reservations about getting the vaccine herself or for our daughter.

She spends her days absolutely furious with the horseshite she hears and sees across social media and the main stream media. She understands why some parents are hesitant .. but that is due to the onslaught of misinformation and irrational thinking and theorising by unqualified ‘experts’ .

Viruses will mutate as long as they are able to move freely around any demographic …. This free movement is aided by unvaccinated people and therefor the more unvaccinated vectors in the population the greater the chances the virus has to mutate … and of course the greater the chance of a mutation which is either more transmissible or more damaging to public health and even more resistant to vaccines.

The argument of ‘it doesn’t affect kids’ .. shows a total lack of understanding of the basics of managing a virus from a public health perspective.

I even had to listen to someone on Newstalk yesterday saying she had great experience of travelling around the world and using holistic medicines as a reason to not take the vaccine - its mind boggling how we can allow this nonsense to be broadcast.

There isn’t anyone forcing a vaccine on anyone … its a personal choice - however as with all personal choices there will be implications - and at the moment that is not being allowed inside to have a pint or a bit of lunch … but the implications to society at large may well be greater.

The good news is that the vast majority of Irish people follow the science and are willing to take the vaccine … so hopefully that large percentage will offset the choices the rest make.

Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671829#Comment_117671829

Maybe if the vaccine was designed to prevent infection this is not the case it was only designed to prevent serious illness. Does anyone have numbers on the actually reduced transmission as a result of the vaccine.

Also it is less likely to achieve herd immunity within an open population. What where the numbers coming into dublin airport last year.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672109#Comment_117672109

No, this is wrong too.

The vaccines are highly effective at preventing transmission. Greater than 95% effective according to some very large studies. They absolutely prevent transmission.

Seriously, we need billboards to this effect.

whippet

what some people are failing to grasp is that these vaccines have been subjected to some of the most intensive studies of any vaccines ever - even in a relatively short time frame. The largest pharmaceutical companies in the world have almost unlimited budgets to throw at resources to get these over the line. The relevant scientific communities globally have focused their efforts on a scale never seen before to the problem.

hmmm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672109#Comment_117672109

They're about 80% effective at reducing infection from Delta on average (see link below). That doesn't mean 20% of people are going to get it, it means your chances of getting it are reduced by 80% so in reality the situation is better than the figure would suggest at first glance. They're 95%/97% effective at keeping you out of hospital. I haven't seen much in the way of transmission data, but it is a relatively small number of vaccinated people who bought get infected in the first place, and then generate enough virus to go on to spread it. The CDC are now advising even vaccinated people to wear a mask again, but they use the word "rare".

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672204#Comment_117672204

I think you will find that was for the alpha variant and not for the delta variant.

hmmm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672310#Comment_117672310

You're mistaking "transmission" with "infection".

The data is showing more people can become infected with Delta. But most infections are asymptomatic, and the volume of virus expelled by even a symptomatic vaccinated person is likely to be a lot less (e.g. a headcold which clears up in a day or two, versus an unvaccinated person being infectious for a week). There's very little stats on the likelihood of transmission by vaccinated people simply because it's hard to find cases.

In the long-term, we're probably all going to become "infected" with the virus. Antibodies won't hang around forever. What matters is whether your body can recognise the virus and react quick enough to kill it - this is what the vaccine gives you. Without the vaccine, your body doesn't recognise it and mounts a very disorganised and slow response.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117672310#Comment_117672310

Correct, but even if the numbers are lower for the Delta variant, they will still prevent a lot of transmission. My bet is that the numbers will eventually be shown to be similar for Delta.

The notion that they only prevent illness and not transmission is simply not correct.