Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

As sausages seem to be a baseline for you argument then are those produced in NI not British?

I'm sure unionist pig farmers of NI will be interested in your assignation.

Are they not central to complaint?

In fairness I did become a fan of a good venison cumberland sausage when I lived in inglaterra, son muy buenos!

Far from Cumberland's you were raised. I'm speaking of the big standard banger.

It'd be like moving from Ireland to Italy and putting a dollop of Italian butter on your Italian steak. 🤷

Bangers d'Inglaterra are generally woeful.

You are right, I did find the standard of food there subpar compared to Ireland, but thankfully Lidl and Aldi stocked a lot of Irish produce.

NI is not British. It's currently under UK jurisdiction. The division of our country, Ireland, to preserve the rump-end of the Protestant ascendancy has been a disaster and continues to be.

It pointless getting into an argument of NI belonging where. It is currently, and its citizens are happy to continue, as part of the UK.

What any of us think is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the GB felt it completely acceptable to sign the NIP, and all it entails, as a price worth paying for Brexit.

What is ironic is that the unionists, those that want to he ruled by GB, are now demanding that both the democratic will of the people of the UK, along with decision of their own government, is overturned simply because they don't like it.

They have ended up supporting a regime that has used them as a bargaining chip.

The British were really the Brythonic Celts who lived in what is today England historically prior to the coming of the Normans. They were largely pushed into Cornwall and what is today Wales by the Angles and Saxons prior to the arrival of the Normans. As a result of that I always found it very strange they called themselves British.

I guess the only legitimate aspiration is Unionism so?

It really showed in the 2016 euros in France where English fans were taking over bars stopping non English from entering. It's like a recreational imperialism matched only by Russian hooligans during that tournament. The mentally of an Englishman is never a foreigner abroad is pure Victorian era supremacy.

I guess the point I'm making is that if the union really 'was' cherished, the England fans would boo all visiting teams but make an exception for the Scots as they see them as brothers and sisters. Instead, they were treated as if they were as 'foreign' as all the continental sides. In the context of Brexit and the whole UK leaving the EU, the sight of Scotland being booed was a striking one.

Which also raises the question of what the Scots are supposed to think when they see and hear that. It does have shades of the former Yugoslavia in the period before it began to break up.

I'd also question whether the union really is cherished.My impression is that most English people would be perfectly happy for Scotland and NI to leave it.Both provinces are a huge financial drain on England,particularly the South-East,which fuels most of the UK economy.

The Scots would have fully expected to be booed at Wembley - I'm not sure though I see much difference between Brexit UK and the former Yugoslavia in the years before the break up. Relations between England and the devolved nations genuinely 'are' pretty bad (thanks mainly to the election of an English nationalist government at Westminster with a huge majority).