sameoldname wrote: » And it speaks of others mentality that people being subsidised by the government while they are asked to keep their businesses closed are deemed to be the most adversely affected rather than the people who have died and their loved ones who are left to grieve them.
Silentcorner wrote: » Only in this country could we find a way to sneer at people who's businesses, hard work and investment have been cast under a bus by excessive restrictions...the harshest in the world at that...because our "experts" have decided that every other expert in the world is wrong!!! We're a lovely bunch aren't we, sure we are all in it together!!!
Weepsie wrote: » They're not the harshest in the world, far from it in fact. Were on a par with most of Europe, just everywhere has had restrictions at different times. Were directly affected by Boris and his let the world burn policies too more than most other places.
Weepsie wrote: » They're not the harshest in the world, far from it in fact. Were on a par with most of Europe, just everywhere has had restrictions at different times.
Were directly affected by Boris and his let the world burn policies too more than most other places.
Silentcorner wrote: » You really haven't a clue what you are on about...
Silentcorner wrote: » Nphet will never allow society to fully reopen, that much is clear...
sameoldname wrote: » I'm in good company so... As for your "think of the other victims" bit, how do you know I haven't already lost a close relative to an undiagnosed cancer since this whole thing began?
Johns nephew wrote: » Cut out the sentimental rubbish. You didn't give a F**k about the 1000+ people who died of the regular flu in 2019.
Silentcorner wrote: » We all have lost people to suicide and other non lock down related deaths, including people with undiagnosed cancer....what's your point?
is_that_so wrote: » I love the way 4 words are "calling for something". I'm perfectly aware what NHPET are, so a wasted supercilious lecture/rant. I'm also aware that they got input or advice at the very beginning, from non-medical people. Not doing so leaves people, even experts, at risk of massive selection bias. There is no one way to do this and it is perfectly acceptable to question how NPHET went about our strategy and whether there were flaws in it.
sameoldname wrote: » I object to people claiming that "the most adversely affected" in society is a ****ing publican who is receiving supports rather than people who have died or will die. That poster doesn't care either, but you didn't bother to point out his sentimental rubbish.
sameoldname wrote: » You ask me did I care about it, now you're telling me that everyone has lost someone so who cares? Do you even have a point anymore?
Mrcaramelchoc wrote: » No definitely not. They are doing a great job imo. What should be disbanded are the bunch of cretins moaning and bitching about nphet every single day in the comments section of journal.ie
Silentcorner wrote: » We have done more economic damage to people in hospitality than most other industries, there isn't anything even remotely untrue about that, but I won't get sucked into a pointless emotive argument about deaths.
Silentcorner wrote: » Ok, maybe you will show me another nation that has put as many people out of work as we have? I've asked before and no one can point to one.
Dempo1 wrote: » A definite No, throughout this pandemic NPHET (Not individuals who've been vilified in quite an appalling manner) have been the most consistent of any organisation dealing with the pandemic. Senior HSE officials have side stepped ever failing, Government all over the place, Representative bodies / Vested interests acted appallingly and continue to do. The We're in this Together cliché long forgotten. There's a S*** storm ahead, both financially and medically and I feel mostly concerned for anyone on a waiting list let alone actually trying to get basic care in hospital departments at the moment, it's an utter shambles and I'm sorry, the 'it's the Cyber Attack" excuses wearing a little thin at this stage. I've nothing more to say, other than again expressing my utter disgust at some of the Vile commentary over the past few weeks, it seems SOME people care more about a few pints and a basket of chicken wings FFS than what has actually occured over the past horrific 15 months.
Fils wrote: » Take into account the cost of nphet. It’s far from the pup payment those salaries are.
Dempo1 wrote: » Did you see the news onthe HSE"s Paul Reids salary today? Twice that of the Taoiseach (in itself 4 times what it should be), not a single member if NPHET earns near the outrageous salaries lashed out at HSE senior management. To compare state supports against the cost of NPHET is just beyond absurd.
Johns nephew wrote: »
Cut out the sentimental rubbish. You didn't give a F**k about the 1000+ people who died of the regular flu in 2019.
as covid is not flue as we know, whether the poster did or didn't care about those who died from the flue in 2019 is ultimately irrelevant. nor is what they stated sentimental rubbish.
covid is not flue as we know, flue while it does spread, does not spread in anywhere near the amount that uncontrolled covid 19 and even controlled covid 19 does.
we have a balanced approach, the most balanced approach possible given what is being dealt with, and the good news is that we are not far from the end now.
The logical strategy is to let the UK be the guinea pigs, Boris is happy to take massive risk, we can wait maybe a month and copy them if things look ok. In some ways it makes decisions very easy. We have 60m+ test cases to determine our policy from. I'm pretty sure this is the strategy we have and it's fine.
we have the least amount of balance in the EU
While I'd be largely in favour of that idea, the flaw is that plenty of people from Plague Island are wandering around Ireland already.
That is not the case.
Disband a government advisory group of experts in public health, modelling, virology, science and infectious diseases in the middle of a pandemic... Sounds a little crazy to me
Remember, even Donald Trump had Anthony Fauchi advising him, although he didn't listen much
I disagree. I don't think it's our strategy.
But even if it was, we would be slowly easing restrictions while the UK get their freedom day and both our Islands will be plunged into a lockdown in November... Whereas if we followed England's lead on this we would at least have a few weeks of normality this year
One thing that really annoys me is the comment that our concentration on Covid measures has been at the expense of cancer diagnoses, etc. Yes, these have been affected (and I am one with a colonoscopy postponed) but the reason is the virulence of Covid, not the restrictions. If we had not had lockdowns and curtailments, then our hospitalisations from Covid would have been far greater with an even worse effect on other treatments.
People who suggest otherwise are ignoring the fact that lesser restrictions would have meant more Covid patients in hospital and so an even greater knock on effect on other treatmets (or do they think Covid patients should be ignored?)
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