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The Nal

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I can't see him stopping Dustin at LW , He will have to put to much gas into it & then Dustin will get him when he is tired,

Dustin is a deceptively tough ****er. Only stopped twice in 33 fights.

Think the crowd will make a difference for McGregor?

Madness

yourdeadwright

Since Conor moved up to lightweight the spinning kicks have all but gone , yes he got Cowboy wit hone but that's after he knew he hurt him

I think its because he now carries more muscle mass & tires quicker,plus the guys can take his shots better, He has tried to be far more efficient with his strikes but it has made him more predictable ,

Even at FW he would set a pace get the Ko but be in jocker himself, remember Brandao he finished him quickly but was knackered himself, The same with Mendes it was a second round stoppage but Conor was nearly out of gas himself,

That style of setting a really quick pace by throwing loads spinning kicks and teeps but getting guys out of there before your own gas tank empties hasn't worked at LW because the guys are bigger and can take more punishment & he is carrying more weight himself ,

The calculated style work well against Eddie & Cowboy as both guys can be put away & have weaker chins ,

I can't see him stopping Dustin at LW , He will have to put to much gas into it & then Dustin will get him when he is tired,

The Nal

eagle eye wrote: »

So you are just not including what suits you and not Aldo, Mendes, Poirier and Holloway.
You pick 26 as the younger age so as to avoid them. Lol.

No Im picking the time since his first UFC loss and when he became less active. ie the point when his career started going south.

I hope he wins on Saturday.

rob316

Tazzimus wrote: »

You've clearly never been on the receiving end of one. They are deeply, deeply unpleasant.

There horrible, but Conor is using them to create distance more than anything.

[Deleted User]

simongurnick wrote: »

Any thoughts on how Conor will be prepared for the calf kicks this time round?

Now, Dustin may not utilize them at all as it will seem very obvious, but at the same time if they are there for the taking, he will take them.

One of the best ways to combat these kicks, is to deliver them yourself, so will be interesting to see if Conor uses the same tactice, a la Diaz 2. Stance will have to change for sure.

Any thoughts?

I saw him sitting outside on line with his lower legs in what looked to be cold/ice water.
Maybe this is to reduce swelling from tryin to build up resistance to lower limb strikes. It wont do any good though, best way to take a kick anywhere is simply not be there.

Mellor

Tazzimus wrote: »

And that's why cups are so important.

Those stabbing teeps he used to do suck the soul out of you, could usually see the effect fairly quickly after a few of them.

I've been meaning to right a long-ish prediction/thoughts on the fight (BT Sports if you're watching I'm cheap). Spolier. It mentions teeps/front snap kicks.

Tazzimus

And that's why cups are so important.

Those stabbing teeps he used to do suck the soul out of you, could usually see the effect fairly quickly after a few of them.

LollipopJimmy

Tazzimus wrote: »

You've clearly never been on the receiving end of one. They are deeply, deeply unpleasant.

That's the point he's making.... I got a teep to dick when sparring. That was horrific

Tazzimus

You've clearly never been on the receiving end of one. They are deeply, deeply unpleasant.

simongurnick

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I'd like to see McGregor kick, period. Where were the stabbing teeps, or thigh shots? He looked so much sharper against Cowboy than he did vs Dustin.

yeah, those teeps don't always look like they do much, but they have been a big strength of Conor's in the past.

eagle eye

The Nal wrote:

Hes only beaten a much smaller washed up Alvarez, a washed up Cerrone and a punchbag in Nate through his peak years.

So you are just not including what suits you and not Aldo, Mendes, Poirier and Holloway.
You pick 26 as the younger age so as to avoid them. Lol.

AbusesToilets

simongurnick wrote: »

Any thoughts on how Conor will be prepared for the calf kicks this time round?

Now, Dustin may not utilize them at all as it will seem very obvious, but at the same time if they are there for the taking, he will take them.

One of the best ways to combat these kicks, is to deliver them yourself, so will be interesting to see if Conor uses the same tactice, a la Diaz 2. Stance will have to change for sure.

Any thoughts?

I'd like to see McGregor kick, period. Where were the stabbing teeps, or thigh shots? He looked so much sharper against Cowboy than he did vs Dustin.

simongurnick

Any thoughts on how Conor will be prepared for the calf kicks this time round?

Now, Dustin may not utilize them at all as it will seem very obvious, but at the same time if they are there for the taking, he will take them.

One of the best ways to combat these kicks, is to deliver them yourself, so will be interesting to see if Conor uses the same tactice, a la Diaz 2. Stance will have to change for sure.

Any thoughts?

sonofenoch

Deleted User wrote: »

Brimage was a flyweight
Holloway was a kid
Brandao was a bum
Poirier was an illegal punch
Siver was a gimme fight
Mendes was off the couch
Aldo was a lucky punch
He scraped a win in Diaz 2
Alvarez was a bum champion
Cowboy was well past it

There you have it.

:pac:

Best not the mention the 'goat' Khabib's record .......his 29/0 is a long list of fking nobodies topped up by a washed up McGregor .....he's only really beat Poirier/RDA and Gaethje who lets be honest are not all that

MrStuffins

Deleted User wrote: »

MrStuffins is the biggest expert Only if u'on here, as far as I can tell.

Only if i'm posting after a full camp

[Deleted User]

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Hi guys, I know you are all experts here, I am not.
How well will Conor do against Dustin? has he put on enough weight, is he training correctly?
Again, I'm a total amateur, but it's good to see an irish guy win on the big stage...

MrStuffins is the biggest expert on here, as far as I can tell.

Brief_Lives

Hi guys, I know you are all experts here, I am not.
How well will Conor do against Dustin? has he put on enough weight, is he training correctly?
Again, I'm a total amateur, but it's good to see an irish guy win on the big stage...

[Deleted User]

I read after the alvarez fight that mark Henry was asked about Frankie vs Conor McGregor, he said McGregor's arm is like the babe Ruth arm of MMA, you'll never see it again for speed and accuracy and of course power to weight ratio.

It's like a Tacit NO for Frankie, NO WAY! and I agree with his analogy Im afraid I just didn't see it against Khabib nor against Dustin, I see him getting beat and that's him..thanks for the cheese

yourdeadwright

MrStuffins wrote: »

As I said, Eddie won't go down as one of the GOATs, but if there's a higher title a fighter can achieve to be considered "top class" than being the UFC Champion then i'd like to hear about it.

That it isn't it he's at a level that very few will ever achieve so obviously top class

To me he's like a gate keeper to the real elite guys , as in he will give them a hard fight but i wouldn't expect him to win , He took his chance when it came along and became a champion so fair play to him

MrStuffins

yourdeadwright wrote: »

My view of Eddie is that while he was always a good fighter but never top class,

As I said, Eddie won't go down as one of the GOATs, but if there's a higher title a fighter can achieve to be considered "top class" than being the UFC Champion then i'd like to hear about it.

MrStuffins

Mellor wrote: »

There was obviously a reasonably middle ground.

Also, McGregor was only a slight favourite with the bookies at the time.

McGregor - 140 Alvarez +110

https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/ufc-205-odds-betting-lines-conor-mcgregor-a-slight-favorite-over-eddie-alvarez/

If everyone who claims to have known Alvarez was a bum put their money where their mouths are, they'd all be walking around in mink coats like Conor himself

yourdeadwright

MrStuffins wrote: »

The Alvarez revisionism is always just to suit the McGregor nay-sayers. And especially lads who rolled out of bed in 2015 when McGregor was fighting Mendes and had only "MMA for Dummies" to use to catch up on the history of the sport in order to pretend they knew what they were talking about.

Dos Anjos was a man on a 10-1 streak (the lone loss coming to Khabib) and was the undisputed UFC LW Champion. There was no controversy, he beat the undisputed champ at the time (Pettis) systematically over 5 rounds (50-45 across the board if I remember correctly and so favoured was he that they put Pettis front and centre of the poster with RDA stood slightly behind him). He had also defended the belt.

There was no controversy. RDA was the undisputed champ.

Eddie Alvarez then beat him, he knocked him out. It was not a contentious stoppage, there was no dodgy split decision, it was as comprehensive as it gets. Round 1.

There was no controversy.

Will Alvarez go down as one of the GOATs? No.

Was Eddie Alvarez the undisputed UFC LW Champion on the day that Conor McGregor dismantled him? Yes. Of that there is no doubt.

As iv already said Conor win was stunning a best ever title performance contender without question

My view of Eddie is that while he was always a good fighter but never top class,

He is tough & game & always has a chance but top class guys will beat him,
He fought two very boring split decision wins before he beat RDA , His win against RDA was a brilliant performance probably his career best when it mattered but i think if we are honest nobody seen him holding onto the belt for along period

The guys who beat Eddie have always had to go through a tough fight but Conor made it look so so easy it was stunning,

So although i don't rate Eddie highly i rate Conor's win against him as spectacular in performance,

Mellor

StringerBell wrote: »

Do they? I can only speak for my own circle and it was more the talk of it was interesting in that if Eddie could take him down he would be in with a shot but it would have meant him fighting to a plan and not being himself basically - consensus being that he was just too easy to hit and someone with McGregors accuracy and timing would tee off on him.

There was obviously a reasonably middle ground.
Conor’s striking vrs Eddie’s wrestling. Eddie takes damage early, but had never need knocked out and had bags of experience at the top level. He really should have been able to game plan.

But I was talking more so about the extreme positions that flip from end to the other.
Mendes will out grapple him. Mendes is munchkin steroid head.
Aldo will kick the legs off him. Aldo is too old was past it.
Dustin is a gimme fight. Dustin is far to big and too good...

MrStuffins

The Alvarez revisionism is always just to suit the McGregor nay-sayers. And especially lads who rolled out of bed in 2015 when McGregor was fighting Mendes and had only "MMA for Dummies" to use to catch up on the history of the sport in order to pretend they knew what they were talking about.

Dos Anjos was a man on a 10-1 streak (the lone loss coming to Khabib) and was the undisputed UFC LW Champion. There was no controversy, he beat the undisputed champ at the time (Pettis) systematically over 5 rounds (50-45 across the board if I remember correctly and so favoured was he that they put Pettis front and centre of the poster with RDA stood slightly behind him). He had also defended the belt.

There was no controversy. RDA was the undisputed champ.

Eddie Alvarez then beat him, he knocked him out. It was not a contentious stoppage, there was no dodgy split decision, it was as comprehensive as it gets. Round 1.

There was no controversy.

Will Alvarez go down as one of the GOATs? No.

Was Eddie Alvarez the undisputed UFC LW Champion on the day that Conor McGregor dismantled him? Yes. Of that there is no doubt.

yourdeadwright

simongurnick wrote: »

If everyone is saying McGregor has so much money that he isn't motivated anymore, than why is he even taking this fight? You can say a payday but he could land a similar payday against a less dangerous opponent. Was listening to Bisping last night take about the pyschology of being knocked out and he thinks it takes big balls to make this rematch so quick.
Interesting to see how it pans out next week but I like the fact he has toned down the media and not brought the kids along.

Some say Pride i say Ego ,

The McGregor "brand " " persona" does not look good if he walks away after a defeat,

He has had many well published problems because of his ego but fighting wise its to be admired ,When Diaz beat him he could have wanted the rematch at lightweight and drained Diaz but no he wanted the same weight to right that wrong ,he went in with Floyd no requests for less rounds or time limits or weight things , his ego wanted Floyd at his best ,

For all Conor's faults he takes chances and big hurdles when it comes to fighting , all ways turns up and very little excuses if he losses,

And i have a strong dislike for the person but he is without question must see when fighting ,

[Deleted User]

simongurnick wrote: »

If everyone is saying McGregor has so much money that he isn't motivated anymore, than why is he even taking this fight? You can say a payday but he could land a similar payday against a less dangerous opponent. Was listening to Bisping last night take about the pyschology of being knocked out and he thinks it takes big balls to make this rematch so quick.
Interesting to see how it pans out next week but I like the fact he has toned down the media and not brought the kids along.

Pride.

StringerBell

Mellor wrote: »

Alvarez had just won the LW belt, the biggest achievement in his career. The condenses was that Conor was going to get wrecked by he bigger wrestler.

Lads love the old washed up Hyperbole. Sure Dustin has only beaten a much smaller Holloway, scrapped past a washed up Eddie, abd bested a washed up McGregor. :pac:

Do they? I can only speak for my own circle and it was more the talk of it was interesting in that if Eddie could take him down he would be in with a shot but it would have meant him fighting to a plan and not being himself basically - consensus being that he was just too easy to hit and someone with McGregors accuracy and timing would tee off on him.

simongurnick

If everyone is saying McGregor has so much money that he isn't motivated anymore, than why is he even taking this fight? You can say a payday but he could land a similar payday against a less dangerous opponent. Was listening to Bisping last night take about the pyschology of being knocked out and he thinks it takes big balls to make this rematch so quick.
Interesting to see how it pans out next week but I like the fact he has toned down the media and not brought the kids along.

rob316

Those Americans are mad, he had to get a police escort away from the restaurant he was in at the weekend there was so many fans waiting for him outside.
I've met him a few times up to recently and never encountered anything like that hysteria here.

Mellor

FileNotFound wrote: »

I think when Mcgregor was invested in the sport he was great.
He fought those they put in front of him and did what needed doing.

ever since he went off doing other stuff, reduced his fight rate - he just has not looked the same sharp dangerous guy.

In fairness he took on bigger men in the division above and beat eddie and even diaz. No mean feat that few have achieved.

I think that's a fair summary.
His initial active run was incredible.

The dual weight champion was the ruin of him, as it meant that the Mayweather fight happen, and once every 18 months fights netted the same as 3 a year previously.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't rate Eddie never did but Conor performance to beat him has to go down as one of the greatest ever in UFC history ,

He came up a weight for a title fight and just dismantled him,
There was no lucky punch or no caught him early or anything like that he literally took him apart for 2 rounds, Almost a punch perfect performance,

That's how I see it. What ever happen to Eddie in the following years is irrelevant. Eddie was the champ, he beat RDA. Conor moved up and despite this revisionist history, a lot of people doubted his chances.

The Nal wrote: »

Those 3 are true. Those 3 fighters have lost a dozen or so fights between them in the last 5 or so years. Well beaten in a lot of them vs average competition too. Hardly a great 5 or so years for McGregor.

Diaz 2 the best of those McGregor fights. An all timer.

I agree Cowboy was past it. That was a tune up.
Diaz has has a spotty record as he insists on staying at WW. He's too small for those guys, but he'd be a much higher ranked LW if he stayed there.

You judging Alvarez on his One FC fights (which are admittedly poor), not his UFC career.
Probably forgetting that following the loss to McGregor he fought Poirier twice. In the second Eddie was seconds aware from the win, but threw that elbow (and the knee in the first :pac:). Beat Gaethje.

Eddie screwed up, and those fights went agaisnt him, but he was toe to toe with Dustin. Beat Gaethje. N way he wasn't a top LW.