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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

CramCycle

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Seth Brundle

ARX wrote: »

If you go down to your local An Post depot in the evening you might spot the van there.

No point - that would just set up a confrontation.
Head to the gardai with it and let them follow up on it.

secman

The usual left hook attempt this morning, heading down greenhills Road and as i aporoached the left turn into Ballymount just before the Maxol station i was overtaken by an Audi estate who the braked hard to take the left turn, there's a cycle lane the whole way down the Greenhills road. I had to brake hard as he cut across me. The driver simply didnt take my speed into account as it wasn't a safe manoeuvre by him.

5uspect

A new park opened a few minutes away from us and we put the kids in the urban arrow and went over to check it out. Lovely playground!

On the way back we wanted to get ice cream so we needed to turn right off the main road. We signalled and moved across the lane and the dozy fool coming up behind us just shoved past us and on her way. Again, completely unaware.

Duckjob

CramCycle wrote: »

I'm starting to think that I am the problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLmuF-0P4tk

Had a guy slow merge into the bike lane going up to Sandyford to block the bike lane even though he didn't have the physical space to undertake the car (even without me there) he was trying to undertake, so he had to stop. Another lad in Shankill over took me coming up to one of those traffic islands in the middle of the road and pulled in on me. I hit the window, and he didn't even notice, turned left less than 30m later. I went after him, I really think he had no concept of what I was trying to tell him. He just said OK.

I mean, is it just me, at this point I hope it is because otherwise, it means there are alot of brain dead, half asleep, no concept of space, people operating vehicles that could kill with ease. Mena being the issue would actually be a sense of relief.

You’ve just made me want to watch Falling Down all over again. Id forgotten how good it is....

silverharp

the skinny is, better not to change lanes to pass cyclists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HckuL116g4

hesker

silverharp wrote: »

the skinny is, better not to change lanes to pass cyclists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HckuL116g4

Very poor advice from that instructor. Encouraging the learner to straddle lanes with no mention of safe passing distance. The safe passing distance should be the first principle, then by all means he can advise that straddling can be a safer approach. But as it stands his advice is just going to encourage close passing.

Edit: he does mention giving plenty of room but that is too vague and overall the learner is going to distill his advice down to a simple dangerous concept.

cletus

He seems to be dealing very specifically with dual or multiple lane carriage ways. There's definitely the risk of you fully change lanes to the right, that somebody may overtake you on the left in that instance. In Ireland, you're not supposed to overtake on the left unless the traffic is slow moving, or stop start.

In the particular instance in the video, what he says makes sense.

As an aside, it bugs me to no end that he say undertaking in that video

silverharp

it wasnt a risk I'd have considered, that some muppet would go up the inside, parked in my brain hopefully

smacl

Personally, a fast moving dual carriageway is the last place I'd be by choice on the bike in the first instance. That said, straddling lanes while giving safe passing distance does seem like the better option here.

Odd close pass on Wednesday, I passed an accident in Dundrum where a fire engine was blocking the road and holding up traffic in the opposite lane. Police car with sirens came tearing towards me in my lane giving me no time to get to the kerb and stop. Guessing that they were on the way to do traffic control for the accident but scared the crap out of me.

Duckjob

hesker wrote: »

Very poor advice from that instructor. Encouraging the learner to straddle lanes with no mention of safe passing distance. The safe passing distance should be the first principle, then by all means he can advise that straddling can be a safer approach. But as it stands his advice is just going to encourage close passing.

Edit: he does mention giving plenty of room but that is too vague and overall the learner is going to distill his advice down to a simple dangerous concept.

His advice seems well intentioned and I can see a certain logic in what he's saying but I think it misses the mark slightly -

The problem in his example isn't that the truck gave too much space by going to lane 2, it's that the cyclist's position in that case was not assertive enough to take control of lane 1.

If the cyclist was commanding lane 1 properly, then the truck driver going to lane 2 still would not leave enough space for a squeeze through between them.

Even if the truck had not been overtaking, but had just been driving normally in lane 2 along with other traffic, the cyclist by his/her positioning would still be leaving themselves open to those sort of dangerous drivers.

It's an interesting video but I think it's more a lesson for cyclists in the importance of defensive cycling than it is for motorists on how to overtake safely.

buffalo

Beeped at by a driver this morning because I wasn't using the cycle lane to cross the M4 (three 100km/h slips to navigate along the way).

He wasn't actually delayed in any way, so I gave him a big smile and a wave and told him to have a great weekend.

Seth Brundle

buffalo wrote: »

Beeped at by a driver this morning because I wasn't using the cycle lane to cross the M4 (three 100km/h slips to navigate along the way).

He wasn't actually delayed in any way, so I gave him a big smile and a wave and told him to have a great weekend.

Whereabouts was this?

Wishbone Ash

smacl wrote: »

... Police car with sirens came tearing towards me...

A 'Police' car in Dundrum? I didn't know the PSNI operated so far south!

Apologies smacl - just one of my pet hates. Years ago at work, i was asked to report to the 'Police Station' in Swords. I never made it there and am still searching for it!

silverharp

in certain parts of Dublin they are probably called the Feds, Yo!

buffalo

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Whereabouts was this?

Coming from Intel towards Celbridge. I usually come off the cycle track about 100m before the roundabout, through the roundabout on the road, then back on cycle track on far side.

Seth Brundle

buffalo wrote: »

Coming from Intel towards Celbridge. I usually come off the cycle track about 100m before the roundabout, through the roundabout on the road, then back on cycle track on far side.

Yeah, I was wondering it was along there. Complete clusterfupp junction if you use the cycle paths. Somehow traffic coming from Intel towards Celbridge doesn't know what lane to be in and enter the roundabout in the left lane despite them taking the third exit.

Dr_Colossus

silverharp wrote: »

the skinny is, better not to change lanes to pass cyclists

I've seen some of his videos previously and while they can be a bit righteous and even cringey with him staring at the camera from the driving seat this recent one certainly needs more action from the police. I do agree with him on all points made, bloody infuriating:

Duckjob

WhereTF was she even trying to overtake to? . There was no space...

buffalo

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Yeah, I was wondering it was along there. Complete clusterfupp junction if you use the cycle paths. Somehow traffic coming from Intel towards Celbridge doesn't know what lane to be in and enter the roundabout in the left lane despite them taking the third exit.

For anyone else:

On the road, requiring one yield as you come on to the roundabout: https://goo.gl/maps/pGkdbYvA2QkSuLzv6

Or on the cycle track, it's:
* cross on-ramp from dual carriageway to motorway, traffic going 80-120km/h from around a bend, not even a warning sign for drivers that people are crossing ahead.
* cross on-ramp from roundabout to motorway, watch for drivers not using their indicators as they come off.
* cross off-ramp from motorway to roundabout. This one's not too bad, as drivers have to yield anyway, but good luck if you think they're going to leave a gap behind the car in front to let you cross.
* cross road from roundabout to Castletown House/HP. Again, just watch for drivers not using their indicators, but it's quiet enough.
* cross road from Castletown House/HP to roundabout. If you've made it this far, it's easy!

KCC and the NTA are 'looking into it', or something similar. It's a primary route in the NTA GDA network.

Seth Brundle

mrcheez wrote: »

I was curious about this... turns out the Irish for "police" is póilíní

So I guess Ireland doesn't have a police force, just a guard force, like Iran

We have Guardians of the Peace (An Garda Síochána)

MojoMaker

Drake66 wrote: »

Yesterday at the church in shankill I took primary position from the pedestrian lights because I was turning right up ahead at the roundabout towards the village. Some fella raced up behind me and then sat on the car horn from there and all around the roundabout. He then bullied his way past me on shankill main street.

I ended up catching up with him at the Bray roundabout so his antics didn't have any impact on his journey time. Some lunatics out there.

How did he respond when you addressed his behaviour?

MojoMaker

Drake66 wrote: »

I didn't bother to be honest. He seemed like an aggressive sort and I didn't want to spoil my ride with an argument

I know, it can be difficult.

But this way, the chap has learned nothing and likely will not change his behaviour one whit. So now it's someone else's problem. The next cyclist's I guess.

MojoMaker

Exactly.

Seth Brundle

Karma is a bitch! 😄

https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1417428047301693466

https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1417428352265228290

https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1417428488018186274

cletus

This probably doesn't belong here, but I'll post it and see.

Cycling with a mate, two abreast, straight road, broken white line, no on coming traffic.

Guy overtakes us perfectly, uses the opposite lane fully, plenty of space before and after the manoeuvre, but still feels the need to beep and gesticulate wildly at us.

Baffles me

Seth Brundle

I presume that he was complimenting your road positioning by making it a shorter distance for him to overtake. Well done for being so considerate to other road users @cletus

cletus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641481#Comment_117641481

Nope, he was a middle-aged man in a Hyundai i30, or something similar. I was too busy watching all the frantic hand movements to clock the make and model

Stark

Saw a cyclist down at the side of the N11 just after the Kilmac turnoff northbound. Gardaí were there so I'm guessing hit and run. Hope he's okay.

Seth Brundle

After a spin a few weeks back, I was looking at the fly-bys and one lad I passed had headed off and did a number of loops along the Naas Rd near Kill. Rather him than me!

Seth Brundle

Not quite a near miss but when I was out yesterday, the driver of an oncoming Merc decided to overtake a jogger travelling same direction as me but who was (correctly) on the right hand side of the road. This meant that on the narrow road (The Lords Road near Celbridge), she was now coming directly towards me (although she did slow down considerably).

When passing, I, in my usual courteous way, referred to her with a rather undignified term.

However, it was only when I had passed them both, that it occurred to me that the jogger may have thought I was saying it to him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGMp1824js0

Anyhow, I stopped at the end of the road for a drink and he caught up and I apologised again but he seemed to completely agree with me. When editing the video, I let it continue to the speed gauge thing as I'm happy with that speed there as I travelled into the breeze on such a hot day ☺️

Anyhow, to get back to the near miss theme, would she have made the same move if it was her child coming towards her on a bike?