The minister said the potential danger of the Delta variant is "very, very substantial". He said: "We are seeing this huge surge in the UK and now in other European countries. In Scotland they are recording the highest ever case rate since the pandemic began, in spite of having a very large portion of their population vaccinated. "This Delta variant, in spite of the progress made on vaccinations, is deadly serious," he said. The minister said there is some analysis showing the Delta variant is about as severe as the Alpha variant in terms of the likelihood of hospitalisation.But there is other analysis from the UK, he said, showing it could be two-and-a-half times more likely to lead to hospitalisation.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » That absolute clown Micheal o Leary on NT warbling on and on He is completely disregarding to the silent majority. Public health comes first, not Ryanair profits. Absolutely despicable from him and his cronies since the pandemic. So many ppl have told me they’ll never fly with Ryanair ever again.
Supercell wrote: » This guy is a bit of a sensationalist, but facts are facts, he's been a bit of a canary in the coal mine all throughout this.https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1410827940624015364?s=20
timmyntc wrote: » 1 data point does not make a trend. yes hospitalisations are increasing (obviously, so are cases - but cases are much much higher) - but they are not jumping by even faster than before. He highlighted 1 data point at the end and is implying its a full trend. Dishonest and sensationalist is right.
wadacrack wrote: » Theirs a lag with hospitalizations and cases . Last Friday their were 15,000- cases in the UK and this week 27,000 cases. So hospitalization's are going to surge to some extent
Beasty wrote: » Provide a reputable source or do not post in this thread again
snowcat wrote: » Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.
Paddigol wrote: » Can people not grasp that it doesn't matter how effective the vaccines are at preventing illness - if you're not vaccinated YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED, AND YOU HAVE NO PROTECTION. What has that got to do with devaluing the effectiveness of vaccines?? Until we have a critical mass of people fully vaccinated then there are a huge number of people left exposed to the Delta variant of the virus where age and fitness is no longer the great shield it was last year - but sure open on up so the lads can have their pints indoors, yeah?
Paddigol wrote: » Can people not grasp that it doesn't matter how effective the vaccines are at preventing illness - if you're not vaccinated YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED, AND YOU HAVE NO PROTECTION.
jakiah wrote: » The vulnerable are almost all vaccinated. Those who arent can isolate for the couple of weeks until they are. Covid is not really dangerous for those who still arent vaccinated, and Delta is a less dangerous variant again. We opened last summer with no vaccines. Enough is enough now.
Micky 32 wrote: » I have always said it would be the last quarter of the year before we get out of this since the vaccines were announced. Cases will rise and possibly hospitalizations over the next month or so. Not surprising since opening more last month. However as more and more jabs are administered there will be a tipping point and come autumn things will be a lot better.
cheezums wrote: » Still no evidence that the latest variant is; 1. Deadlier 2. Resistant to vaccines
purplefields wrote: » Where are you getting that Delta is a less dangerous variant? It's much more transmissible than alpha, hence it's dominance. Look what it did to India.
TefalBrain wrote: » More transmissible yes, less dangerous yes.
purplefields wrote: » What exactly do you mean by 'dangerous'? A percentage increase in transmissibility is far worse than a corresponding percentage increase in case to fatality ratio. Maths is why.
[Deleted User] wrote: » “The case-fatality rate for Delta (0.3%) at this time appears to be lower than that for Alpha (2%)". Per Cillian De Gascun
Woody79 wrote: » Delta currently has mortality rate in UK of 0.3%, given significant vaccinated population and infection mostly in younger people. Alpha mortality rate in UK was 2%, due to unvaccinated population and different strain etc. “The case-fatality rate for Delta (0.3%) at this time appears to be lower than that for Alpha (2%). Per Cillian De Gascun You can kinda see the logic of what they are doing in UK as they are a more risk taking country than us, given their size, attitudes and history. They had the biggest empire in the world just over 100 years ago. Life is a balancing act of risks and rewards. Its nature. You are never going to lock down for 0.1% risk, but you have to when its 2%. UK have always been more tolerant than us about death. As are the US. We are watching some strange social experiment in UK. Flu mortality is around 0.1%. They reckon 0.3% is tolerable to them in the short term until they get over this wave and immunity grows. As Chris Whitty said recently about said approach " cautiosly optimistic". Once you get to 80-90% of the population vaccinated/prior infections, I would guesstimate mortality rate in UK and ireland will fall to 0.1%. It will be flu and we'lll just have to live with it. Easier said than done (for me included), but its probably what our gp's will say come autumn time.
Wolf359f wrote: » I assume that's taking into account vaccines? If so, you would need to compare the CFR in unvaccinated people with delta and alpha. Compare apples to apple etc...
Woody79 wrote: » “The case-fatality rate for Delta (0.3%) at this time appears to be lower than that for Alpha (2%)". Per Cillian De Gascun
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