tom1ie wrote: » Herd immunity occurs at 75-80%. Will we reach that number though as children under 12 won’t be vaccinated (atm) and the anti vaxers.
TonyMaloney wrote: » Herd immunity is dependent on the transmissibility of the virus. Delta has made reaching that point with vaccines alone much more difficult. I'm struggling to find a source but I believe it's thought to require about 90% of the pop
Goldengirl wrote: » Less antivaxxers in Ireland than other countries. Children under 12 may not need vaccination unless vulnerable conditions . That has still to be decided.
snowcat wrote: » Wishful thinking. You are going to be jabbed every 6 months if you are a vaccine fan and it still wont make a difference. As we have found out the virus is one step ahead.
tom1ie wrote: » Yes but if you need a high percentage 80%+, of people vaccinated/infected to reach herd, then ignoring under 12’s means you may not reach herd due to, well, numbers.
Goldengirl wrote: » No. It has already been said that they think we have immunity lasting a couple of years from the vaccinations. Boosters just for elderly and vulnerable.
Goldengirl wrote: » Wild type immunity from infections also is believed yo last at least 9 months ...and rising .
snowcat wrote: » And then are we prepared to allow children to die from complications who have a greater risk from the vaccine than Covid?
tom1ie wrote: » 90% with delta vs 75-80% with original strain? Yikes.
tom1ie wrote: » ? Are you saying kids will die directly from taking the vaccines?
Chris_5339762 wrote: » Now, does it matter, with vaccinations etc. That is the big question.
Chris_5339762 wrote: » It could well be that high. R0 for Delta is possibly 7 or 8, with no control measures at all. Its an incredibly transmissible virus now. Now, does it matter, with vaccinations etc. That is the big question.
Fils wrote: » We will be in level 5 by August. Nphet are backing the fourth wave.
snowcat wrote: » Not sure what you are leaning to but yes some will die from taking the vaccine. Very rare but from stats more than from initially contracting the virus and then dying from it
tom1ie wrote: » Agreed. Well if you look at some of the stats on here it’s not great reading. 3.5k in hospital that were double vaccinated? By the way I presume that was double vaccinated with at least 10 days since second dose.
brickster69 wrote: » 3.5K who tested positive
tom1ie wrote: » How do you know this? Has there been studies on vaccinating under 12s?
Danzy wrote: » Just imagine how brutal it could have been if the Indian variant was the original one. It would have overwhelmed before any measures.
snowcat wrote: » No but there is stats on the amount of under 18's who pass from Covid. It is miniscule. Once you factor in the chance of contrating the virus it is infititesimal. The Vaccine is much more dangerous for an U18
Pinch Flat wrote: » Is that your own opinion, or is it backed up by some form of scientific data?
tom1ie wrote: » But the vaccine reduces transmission no? What is the % chance of an u18 dying from taking the vaccine? I’d say it’s fairly infinitesimal aswell.
snowcat wrote: » And it is not looking good with the proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from the Vaccine
tom1ie wrote: » Ok. I must have misread that. 3.5k who tested positive, but didn’t impact the hospital service. So what’s the issue there? Genuine question.
