Murder at the Cottage | Sky

Mackinac wrote: »

I think back then a lot of holiday homes would have been fairly easy to get in to especially the more simple and basic (but stylised) ones in West Cork. I guess the flashier ones now have triple locked doors and smart security but not so much in 1996.

Yeah, I'd expect anyone determined would get in - but to get in without leaving any signs of forced entry?
Would that take a bit of know how \ access to a key?

Mackinac wrote: »

Just came across this regarding the wine, from The Independent, December,2011
One source close to the investigation recalled that, at the time, alcohol was often stolen from the drinks cabinets of empty holiday homes.
This takes me back again to thinking a couple having an affair might want to use the cottage for a couple of hours. Maybe they had a habit of going to empty holiday homes. Sophie thought someone had been using her cottage while she was away.

why would they throw it away?. i think the person using her home was a homeless person or semi homeless and took the wine and dumped it because they didn't have a corkscrew, nowhere to get one, and didn't want to be lugging it around

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yeah, I'd expect anyone determined would get in - but to get in without leaving any signs of forced entry?
Would that take a bit of know how \ access to a key?

Depends on the house I guess. A friend of mine got locked out her house some years ago while the window cleaners happened to be there. One of the window cleaners broke in for her, whilst grateful she was also rather alarmed at the speed and execution with which he did it. As you say if you know what you’re doing.

ingalway

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Has anyone read the book by Foster, Murder at Roaringwater.....half tempted to buy it but he seems to have made his mind up regardless.

I've read it. It's pretty good. He had huge access to Bailey over a period of time and then did some work with Jim Sheridan and Donal McIntyre later on. He interviewed more people than either the West Cork podcast or the Sky programme and there is a piece near the end that I have never heard before, which, if true, really points to Bailey being guilty. Worth the read.

Yurt2

ingalway wrote: »

I've read it. It's pretty good. He had huge access to Bailey over a period of time and then did some work with Jim Sheridan and Donal McIntyre later on. He interviewed more people than either the West Cork podcast or the Sky programme and there is a piece near the end that I have never heard before, which, if true, really points to Bailey being guilty. Worth the read.

What's the gist?

ingalway wrote: »

I've read it. It's pretty good. He had huge access to Bailey over a period of time and then did some work with Jim Sheridan and Donal McIntyre later on. He interviewed more people than either the West Cork podcast or the Sky programme and there is a piece near the end that I have never heard before, which, if true, really points to Bailey being guilty. Worth the read.

spill. i looked through it in a bookshop. At one point he gave the impression bailey has some sort of control over jules

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SoulWriter wrote: »

why would they throw it away?. i think the person using her home was a homeless person or semi homeless and took the wine and dumped it because they didn't have a corkscrew, nowhere to get one, and didn't want to be lugging it around

Not having a corkscrew never stopped me opening a bottle of wine

SoulWriter wrote: »

why would they throw it away?. i think the person using her home was a homeless person or semi homeless and took the wine and dumped it because they didn't have a corkscrew, nowhere to get one, and didn't want to be lugging it around

Maybe they couldn’t go back home with the unopened bottle of wine they were seen leaving the house with.

Mackinac wrote: »

Maybe they couldn’t go back home with the unopened bottle of wine they were seen leaving the house with.

maybe i'm thinking more of someone who does not have a home or much privacy. If you're walking and have no pocket it might be annoying to carry or they didn't want to be seen with it. maybe a car approached

Yurt! wrote: »

A couple having an affair...hmmm

Who could that be? Could it be the couple that supposedly went to a beach to spend a night?

Not to mention giving false clues to the Gardai through phone calls but also being in the spotlight giving statements and counter statements is well known to be a behavioral trait from murderers

More and more convinced MF and her supposed lover went to the cottage to spend the night. Tried to break in, Sophie heard them opens the door a fight ensues and we know what happens next. MF could've been in the car this whole time while the "lover" went to check the house and he gave her strict instructions to not mention anything about going to the cottage. The news break out and the "lover" we now know would brutally kill another person keeps MF under control in a web of lies. If this is the case 100% he's still alive and controlling her

Mackwiss wrote: »

Who could that be? Could it be the couple that supposedly went to a beach to spend a night?

never heard this, when did it happen?

SoulWriter wrote: »

never heard this, when did it happen?

MF mentioned I think on JS documentary she and her "friend" went to Barleycove Beach and then returned and saw the man at the bridge...

Mackwiss wrote: »

Who could that be? Could it be the couple that supposedly went to a beach to spend a night?

Not to mention giving false clues to the Gardai through phone calls but also being in the spotlight giving statements and counter statements is well known to be a behavioral trait from murderers

More and more convinced MF and her supposed lover went to the cottage to spend the night. Tried to break in, Sophie heard them opens the door a fight ensues and we know what happens next. MF could've been in the car this whole time while the "lover" went to check the house and he gave her strict instructions to not mention anything about going to the cottage. The news break out and the "lover" we now know would brutally kill another person keeps MF under control in a web of lies. If this is the case 100% he's still alive and controlling her

Snap... the same angle is starting to occur to me.
It ties into Sophie thinking someone used property while she was away.

But how would they access the cottage while Sophie was away without leaving obvious signs of entry?

Mackwiss wrote: »

MF mentioned I think on JS documentary she and her "friend" went to Barleycove Beach and then returned and saw the man at the bridge...

Sorry I misunderstood, thought you meant another couple

Mackwiss wrote: »

MF mentioned I think on JS documentary she and her "friend" went to Barleycove Beach and then returned and saw the man at the bridge...

Dubious... in December even in a car most of the tine that sounds like recipe for hypothermia.
Suggests the angle re using a vacant holiday home...
Could hardly check into a hotel / b&b without rumours spreading.

irishgeo

Why does bailey say he doesn't know Sophie or where she lives in episode 1 of Netflix but later on either in episode 1 or 2 say he was supposed to do some gardening for her.
He must have known her for her to ask him to some gardening for her and to find out where she lived to actually get there.

irishgeo wrote: »

Why does bailey say he doesn't know Sophie or where she lives in episode 1 of Netflix but later on either in episode 1 or 2 say he was supposed to do some gardening for her.
He must have known her for her to ask him to some gardening for her and to find out where she lived to actually get there.

Not necessarily... he could know 'of her' and may not have been asked directly by her?
Would have a rough idea of where she lives but not its exact spot?

odyssey06 wrote: »

Snap... the same angle is starting to occur to me.
It ties into Sophie thinking someone used property while she was away.

But how would they access the cottage while Sophie was away without leaving obvious signs of entry?

As explained before, an old cottage, old locks, old windows, way easier to open than modern locks if it's common practice.

Looking for a hidden key which was common back then and entering even?

Happened to me that some folks found the hidden key of a family property, completely vandalized it on purpose, spend the night in it, then close and locked the door and left the key in the same place. From outside it looked like nothing had happened at all until you turn the key.

Not to mention what's told numerous times that back then most people didn't think of locking themselves in their houses as it was that peaceful.

irishgeo

Mackwiss wrote: »

Who could that be? Could it be the couple that supposedly went to a beach to spend a night?

Not to mention giving false clues to the Gardai through phone calls but also being in the spotlight giving statements and counter statements is well known to be a behavioral trait from murderers

More and more convinced MF and her supposed lover went to the cottage to spend the night. Tried to break in, Sophie heard them opens the door a fight ensues and we know what happens next. MF could've been in the car this whole time while the "lover" went to check the house and he gave her strict instructions to not mention anything about going to the cottage. The news break out and the "lover" we now know would brutally kill another person keeps MF under control in a web of lies. If this is the case 100% he's still alive and controlling her

one flaw in this is if the car was up near the house there would be tyre tracks. It's a sandy road. Looks like a narrow road too. Your not turning around unless you drive up to Sophie house or the neighbours house. The only option is to reverse down the road.

The guards might not be able to establish whose tyre tracks they were but they would have known a car was in the vicinity.

irishgeo wrote: »

one flaw in this is if the car was up near the house there would be tyre tracks. It's a sandy road. Looks like a narrow road too. Your not turning around unless you drive up to Sophie house or the neighbours house. The only option is to reverse down the road.

The guards might not be able to establish whose tyre tracks they were but they would have known a car was in the vicinity.

Would they or would they have destroyed the tracks when they went to the cottage?

irishgeo wrote: »

one flaw in this is if the car was up near the house there would be tyre tracks. It's a sandy road. Looks like a narrow road too. Your not turning around unless you drive up to Sophie house or the neighbours house. The only option is to reverse down the road.

The guards might not be able to establish whose tyre tracks they were but they would have known a car was in the vicinity.

there's at least three sets of tires in the picture once the body is discovered. The one from the car of the person that found the body, the Gardai and the priest. And it's not at dirt road by the pictures seen afaik

Icantthinkof1

It doesn’t make sense that a couple came to Sophie’s cottage that night. They would have seen the lights on in her house and a car in the driveway so would have known it wasn’t unoccupied; even if they had been using her house before

irishgeo wrote: »

one flaw in this is if the car was up near the house there would be tyre tracks. It's a sandy road. Looks like a narrow road too. Your not turning around unless you drive up to Sophie house or the neighbours house. The only option is to reverse down the road.

The guards might not be able to establish whose tyre tracks they were but they would have known a car was in the vicinity.

If someone was trying to break in would they have driven all the way right up to the cottage though where they could have been heard by the neighbours? If they wanted to sneak up maybe they would have left their car further down the road. Otherwise, if they had parked their car right outside the cottage the struggle wouldn’t have happened down the lane?