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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

brianhere

All social/population control measures introduced by the state security apparatus as a result of this health scare will be, and have always intended to be, permanent in my view. Here are a few reasons why:
a) Because they already have shown that they are stringing people along. The publicans, for example, have been assured every couple of weeks for the whole summer that they will be allowed to reopen, but the government had no intention of allowing this. First it was to stop the spread of the disease altogether, then it was 'flattening the curve' and now it is in response to an increase in cases which they know perfectly well had to follow an increase in testing. You don't want to be the donkey chasing the carrot here!

b) Because they have invested so much money and time in changing the whole apparatus of society, in schools for example, and other places. Clearly these changes were not implemented in order to disappear in only a few weeks, they show the planning and expense of permanent measures.

c) Because the state has a record of never releasing back to the population rights that they seized during some panic. A few examples:
i) During the hype about TB in the 1950s the state introduced a voluntary scheme to control the disease in cattle. It involved those who had tested negative for the disease to be given a special tag and the farmer a 'herd number'. This voluntary scheme then evolved into the state controlling all aspects of agricultural activity by only allowing any such activity - even keeping a few hens - with the permission of the state, via compulsory herd numbers.
ii) Similar to this current panic, in the 1970s the state amended earlier WWII legislation to enable it to abolish jury trials. This was a great shock to the legal profession - even to the then President - and affront to the time honoured legal practices in Ireland but it was rushed through on the basis of sunset clauses whereby it would have to be renewed every year, and hence was temporary. Of course it is still with us long after the troubles have ended.
iii) After 9/11 and some hyped episodes like 'underwear bombers', this state and all around the world introduced time consuming and very intrusive security procedures particularly at airports. This of course is still with us long after the scare has died down.

d) This last point I am sure some of you will not get, but I will make it anyway. These measures are being rolled out precisely because they have huge social and population control advantages for the state, hence they are only piggy backing on the virus to do what they have all along planned to do, and hence have no intention of ever releasing you in the future from their newly introduced grip.

So look if you want to get your life back you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin. You will not get released from this vice otherwise, they will compel you to harm your own health via vaccines and masks (of course it harms your health by restricting your breathing, and harming your health does not help somebody else), and otherwise we will descend further into this nightmare of Communist style spying on neighbours and bullying people in the name of social conformity.

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Timberrrrrrrr

pearcider wrote: »

Oh you two are real gems. I think it’s obvious now to even the casual observer that there will be no exit from covid and all measures are permanent. There will always be another “variant of concern”.

In the last couple.of weeks I have

Been to the cinema, gone to a restaurant with friends, gone to a comedy show with friends, gone to restaurants and pubs with my partner, been to a soft play center with my son.

I couldn't do that three months ago due to lockdown measures, obviously the fact I can do those things now is proof that the whole "all measures are permanent" is wrong.

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

Maybe because the worlds debt based monetary system mediated by the US dollar is nearing collapse? None so blind as those who will not see.

When?

Financial conspiracy sites have been claiming this for decades, it's their go-to, the "dollar is just about to collapse", but it never budges. So are you just regurgitating conspiracy clickbait like a sheep, or do you have the exact details of this?

pearcider

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

In the last couple.of weeks I have

Been to the cinema, gone to a restaurant with friends, gone to a comedy show with friends, gone to restaurants and pubs with my partner, been to a soft play center with my son.

I couldn't do that three months ago due to lockdown measures, obviously the fact I can do those things now is proof that the whole "all measures are permanent" is wrong.

The lockdown will be back in the winter.

[Deleted User]

pearcider wrote: »

The lockdown will be back in the winter.

Pearcider, why would we believe you when you've just dodged so many questions?

You are dodging them because you can't answer them as you're either just making **** up, or parroting things other people are making up and have conned you into believing.

What do you tell yourself when you dodge questions and issues with your beliefs?
How do you justify it to yourself?

Notmything

pearcider wrote: »

The lockdown will be back in the winter.

How can something be permanent if it comes and goes?

pearcider

Dohnjoe wrote: »

When?

Financial conspiracy sites have been claiming this for decades, it's their go-to, the "dollar is just about to collapse", but it never budges. So are you just regurgitating conspiracy clickbait like a sheep, or do you have the exact details of this?

Just look at the debt or the money supply growth this year. We are in the final crack up boom which was predicted by 19th century economists and which has happened many times before in history although never on a global scale. I really don’t care if you think I’m a click bait sheep. Meaningless accusation.

pearcider

Notmything wrote: »

How can something be permanent if it comes and goes?

You really are a pedant. Obviously I am talking about the changes to the society and culture that are permanent. Clearly any lockdowns are extraordinary by pre 2020 standards. But now people are used to them. There is no closing Pandora’s box. Which of course is the globalists plan all along,

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

The lockdown will be back in the winter.

Sneaky. The Delta variant is increasing, so there is a chance certain countries may have a return of some measures. This is why conspiracy theorists are suddenly making all sorts of predictions, one has the autumn covered, you have the winter, another will grab "next spring".

If a single lockdown measure is reintroduced somewhere in the world between October to February you will claim you were "right all along". If that doesn't happen, it will go on the massive pile of false predictions that you've all conveniently forgotten about.

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

Just look at the debt or the money supply growth this year. We are in the final crack up boom which was predicted by 19th century economists and which has happened many times before in history although never on a global scale. I really don’t care if you think I’m a click bait sheep. Meaningless accusation.

You didn't answer the question. When is the dollar going to collapse?

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

You really are a pedant. Obviously I am talking about the changes to the society and culture that are permanent. Clearly any lockdowns are extraordinary by pre 2020 standards. But now people are used to them. There is no closing Pandora’s box. Which of course is the globalists plan all along,

Who are the globalists exactly?

What is their plan exactly?

Timberrrrrrrr

pearcider wrote: »

The lockdown will be back in the winter.

Maybe it will/maybe it won't, But needless to say that measures are not permanent because if they were then I wouldnt have been able to do those things over the last couple.of weeks would I?

eddie73

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You didn't answer the question. When is the dollar going to collapse?

You should rephrase this question to "roughly" when do you think the dollar will collapse. Otherwise, asking the exact time for this event to happen is something that even an economic expert can't answer accurately.

[Deleted User]

eddie73 wrote: »

You should rephrase this question to "roughly" when do you think the dollar will collapse. Otherwise, asking the exact time for this event to happen is something that even an economic expert can't answer accurately.

That's kinda the point though.
If pearcider and other conspiracy theorists aren't able to point to any kind of time, either exact or inexact, that shows that their claims aren't actually based on anything.
If they had special insight or secret information, then they'd be able to point out a specific time frame.
If however they were just making **** up, like all the previous claims of this in years previous, then they'd keep the time frame vague and open to avoid having to admit they were wrong.

Pearcider won't answer because he can't provide an answer.
He can't provide an answer because the conspiracy twitter cranks he's listening to don't provide an answer.
They don't provide an answer because they're making **** up to sell to the gullible.

Dohnjoe

eddie73 wrote: »

You should rephrase this question to "roughly" when do you think the dollar will collapse. Otherwise, asking the exact time for this event to happen is something that even an economic expert can't answer accurately.

I didn't ask for an exact time and it's a perfectly valid question.

Economic experts and financial analysts make forecasts all the time, I read them on a daily basis. I haven't come across anything that suggests the world's monetary system and dollar is "about to collapse".

Except of course on conspiracy sites, which blindly claim the system and dollar are "just about to collapse" every day, going back decades.

eddie73

Well in that case, I will join in and ask pearcider, if he has a timeline on the dollar collapse. Losing value through inflation and collapse are not the same thing.

Notmything

pearcider wrote: »

You really are a pedant. Obviously I am talking about the changes to the society and culture that are permanent. Clearly any lockdowns are extraordinary by pre 2020 standards. But now people are used to them. There is no closing Pandora’s box. Which of course is the globalists plan all along,

Ahhhh, get you now. The globalists want lockdowns and no more travel, businesses shut or gone broke, people at home with no money or jobs, and rising resentment against the lockdowns and measures imposed.

Yep totally makes sense now.

But why?

Dohnjoe

Notmything wrote: »

Ahhhh, get you now. The globalists want lockdowns and no more travel, businesses shut or gone broke, people at home with no money or jobs, and rising resentment against the lockdowns and measures imposed.

Yep totally makes sense now.

But why?

Just make up a reason. That's how this works, it's choose-your-own-adventure.

Here I'll pick one; They need people to be docile and compliant and poor so that they can control us with Communist style rules and "social credit" systems. They need more "debt slaves". It's paving the way for a one-world government.

Always remember to keep everything vague and dodge any questions that expose it all as bull****

Boghouse51

pearcider wrote: »

The lockdown will be back in the winter.

It will be back before winter sep October at latest.

The Nal

Notmything wrote: »

Ahhhh, get you now. The globalists want lockdowns and no more travel, businesses shut or gone broke, people at home with no money or jobs, and rising resentment against the lockdowns and measures imposed.

Yep totally makes sense now.

But why?

Globalists actively trying to destroy....globalism.

robinph

Boghouse51 wrote: »

It will be back before winter sep October at latest.

What will be back?

Requments to wear masks in some locations? Schools shut? Workplaces shut? Stay at home orders? Don't travel more than 5km from your front door? International travel? Limits on numbers in certain venues? Some types of entertainment venues shut again?

Exactly what are you predicting? And why would these things happen? Would it be because of new infections or is it some conspiracy by ???? For the purpose of ???? That you are claiming?

BillyBiggs

What do people make of today’s decision by our government?

BillyBiggs

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Just make up a reason. That's how this works, it's choose-your-own-adventure.

Here I'll pick one; They need people to be docile and compliant and poor so that they can control us with Communist style rules and "social credit" systems. They need more "debt slaves". It's paving the way for a one-world government.

Always remember to keep everything vague and dodge any questions that expose it all as bull****

A straight question for you Dhonjoe, what did you make of the government's decision today regarding the hospitality sector?

Fighting Tao

BillyBiggs wrote: »

A straight question for you Dhonjoe, what did you make of the government's decision today regarding the hospitality sector?

I haven’t seen the news. Was there a permanent measure announced?

BillyBiggs

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I haven’t seen the news. Was there a permanent measure announced?

You could go on RTE.ie

Dohnjoe

BillyBiggs wrote: »

A straight question for you Dhonjoe, what did you make of the government's decision today regarding the hospitality sector?

Cases are rising again, so they've made a decision based on that.

Do you believe there is some conspiracy behind this, if so, what is it?

BillyBiggs

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Cases are rising again, so they've made a decision based on that.

Do you believe there is some conspiracy behind this, if so, what is it?

I don’t believe in conspiracies. I was disappointed though that pubs and restaurants won’t be reopening on the 5th July.

Dohnjoe

BillyBiggs wrote: »

I don’t believe in conspiracies. I was disappointed though that pubs and restaurants won’t be reopening on the 5th July.

Okay, but I think normal Covid discussion is on other forums. This is the "Satan/NWO/Bill Gates did it" forum.

buzzerxx

NPHET stands for "No Pubs, Hotels, Entertainment or Tourism."
#DisbandNPHET The lies will be permanent.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10222263630592047&set=a.1750128025376

runawaybishop

buzzerxx wrote: »

NPHET stands for "No Pubs, Hotels, Entertainment or Tourism."
#DisbandNPHET The lies will be permanent.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10222263630592047&set=a.1750128025376

What does the good doctor have to say, and why would anyone with an ounce of intelligence believe him?

Vernon Coleman (born 18 May 1946) is an English conspiracy theorist, anti-vaccination activist, AIDS denialist, blogger and novelist who writes on topics related to human health, politics and animal issues. Coleman's medical claims have been widely discredited and described as pseudoscientific

[Deleted User]

buzzerxx wrote: »

NPHET stands for "No Pubs, Hotels, Entertainment or Tourism."
#DisbandNPHET The lies will be permanent.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10222263630592047&set=a.1750128025376

OK. So why are NPHET involved in a conspiracy to prevent tourism and entertainment?
How does it benefit them?

Why should we take seriously the opinion of an AIDS denialist?