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Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

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Thread 1 - Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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Dickie10

i dont think any of us are surprised by this, like i predicted mid august for two weeks to save the summer before schools are back. not a hope anything will open before the August bank holiday

saabsaab

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I know what "V" i'd give to that suggestion! :rolleyes:

A V2

aziz

saabsaab wrote: »

Neither. I hope. My predictions so far have been fairly accurate.

So insane it is then,just like the government

saabsaab

aziz wrote: »

Are you taking the piss or just insane

Neither. I hope. My predictions so far have been fairly accurate.

ShooterSF

saabsaab wrote: »

Bring both? If you lose it, you lose it. What happens when you lose your wallet or anything of value?

Well if you lose your license or passport you report it lost and get it replaced. Can you do that with a vaccine cert? I genuinely don't know.

And this is what you are asking staff to deal with (and I don't disagree with him/her I didn't apply to be the vaccine cop):

aziz wrote: »

Why should I,

Have we turned into North Korea

Tenzor07

saabsaab wrote: »

You don't have to. You may not be allowed in. I suggest a badge (maybe sponsored by the Vintners) a large 'V' with a small 2 to show double vaccination be handed to regulars.

I know what "V" i'd give to that suggestion! :rolleyes:

aziz

saabsaab wrote: »

You don't have to. You may not be allowed in. I suggest a badge (maybe sponsored by the Vintners) a large 'V' with a small 2 to show double vaccination be handed to regulars.

Are you taking the piss or just insane

saabsaab

ShooterSF wrote: »

License? Probably I guess but again it is a matter of remembering it. Personally I leave mine in the car in case I'm stopped as you have to have it when driving by law.
Cert doesn't have a photo as far as I understand so that can't be used as ID. Even the articles mentioning it are saying certificate PLUS identification. Also leads to the question what happens if you lose your cert with a few drinks on you.

Bring both? If you lose it, you lose it. What happens when you lose your wallet or anything of value?

saabsaab

aziz wrote: »

Why should I,

Have we turned into North Korea

You don't have to. You may not be allowed in. I suggest a badge (maybe sponsored by the Vintners) a large 'V' with a small 2 to show double vaccination be handed to regulars.

PommieBast

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, it won't be available in the EU until 1 July so you're right!

I will be gobsmacked if Ireland actually manages to start issuing them within36 hours.

aziz

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

Why should I,

Have we turned into North Korea

[Deleted User]

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

There'll be a little business in fake cards now

ShooterSF

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

License? Probably I guess but again it is a matter of remembering it. Personally I leave mine in the car in case I'm stopped as you have to have it when driving by law.
Cert doesn't have a photo as far as I understand so that can't be used as ID. Even the articles mentioning it are saying certificate PLUS identification. Also leads to the question what happens if you lose your cert with a few drinks on you.

saabsaab

ShooterSF wrote: »

Marginally probably But yeah imagine being 52 and going to meet some mates for pints and getting ID'd and having to go home to get your passport. You'd be shredded by your mates. It really is absurd to me.

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

jakiah

No chance theres a reopening on the 19th, the NPHET letter talks about rising cases until October, then we'll be in a seasonal outbreak. Its game over.

Degag

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I wouldn't think so. Case numbers have remained relatively stable for a good while now

They will most likely repurpose the EU vaccine passport scheme for this reopening.

Can't see a reopening on the 19th either being honest unless there is a major fallout due to today's decision.

LIke, i don't know much about the vaccine passport and how long it is along the process but in general trying to come up and implement a process just to get a certain cohort into a pub in ~2 weeks seems a) implausible and b) ridiculous.

is_that_so

PommieBast wrote: »

All signs I see is that the Irish state doesn't even have a vaccine passport scheme to repurpose.

Well, it won't be available in the EU until 1 July so you're right!

PommieBast

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They will most likely repurpose the EU vaccine passport scheme for this reopening.

All signs I see is that the Irish state doesn't even have a vaccine passport scheme to repurpose.

ShooterSF

MOH wrote: »

Even an age-based approach would make (marginally) more sense.
Open indoors for e.g. over-50s or over-60s, on the assumption they're old enough to make their own risk assessments if they're not fully vaccinated.
Reduce the age limit by 5 years every week or two as younger cohorts get vaccinated.
Indoor gets to open, at least some older people get to avail of it, without sharing with riskier younger cohorts.

It's got most of the same problems as a vaccine cert in that it's discriminatory and there's a whole host of implementation issues. But at least age-based restriction is an existing concept in pubs. Plus you're not going to have to start hassling pensioners for ID.

But the whole concept is ridiculous.

Marginally probably

But yeah imagine being 52 and going to meet some mates for pints and getting ID'd and having to go home to get your passport. You'd be shredded by your mates. It really is absurd to me.

saabsaab

Sure over half the population is vaccinated now. No bother for over 50's and the medical staff I'll bet a few pubs would do well enough on it.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Sounds bloody great for me. Fully vaccinated as of last week. Wife is much younger so she has just got her appointment for her first. Pints for the Pintman while she is at home.

Be great to have my local gastropub without the trendy snotty youngsters in it. (Except the young birds serving my grub of course)

Tenzor07

The highest paid politicians and most expensive Government in Europe for just over half thet population of London and this is the utter cr*p they come out with:

https://www.thejournal.ie/stephen-donnelly-indoor-dining-unvaccinated-workers-5480515-Jun2021/

You can't go have a beer or a burger indoors if you're under 30 and unvaccinated but you can go serve that beer and burger if you work at a hotel to someone over 40 or 50 indoors!!:rolleyes:

MOH

ShooterSF wrote: »

I can't believe it is actually going to happen tbh. I used to work in a place that did pensioner pints and it was embarrassing asking for ID. The idea of asking everyone who enters for ID and a cert to get served sounds horrible and open to more arguments from the type who post here bragging about how they told the staff this and that.

Even an age-based approach would make (marginally) more sense.
Open indoors for e.g. over-50s or over-60s, on the assumption they're old enough to make their own risk assessments if they're not fully vaccinated.
Reduce the age limit by 5 years every week or two as younger cohorts get vaccinated.
Indoor gets to open, at least some older people get to avail of it, without sharing with riskier younger cohorts.

It's got most of the same problems as a vaccine cert in that it's discriminatory and there's a whole host of implementation issues. But at least age-based restriction is an existing concept in pubs. Plus you're not going to have to start hassling pensioners for ID.

But the whole concept is ridiculous.

MrMusician18

PTH2009 wrote: »

Fuming i bet they will want to close outdoor hospitality soon

No way will they reopen indoor on the 19th July.

I wouldn't think so. Case numbers have remained relatively stable for a good while now

They will most likely repurpose the EU vaccine passport scheme for this reopening.

hynesie08

ShooterSF wrote: »

I can't believe it is actually going to happen tbh. I used to work in a place that did pensioner pints and it was embarrassing asking for ID. The idea of asking everyone who enters for ID and a cert to get served sounds horrible and open to more arguments from the type who post here bragging about how they told the staff this and that.

Oh god, I hadn't even factored those muppets in.

" I made a 19 year old girl cry for having the nerve to do her job, ain't I great"

ShooterSF

saabsaab wrote: »

It would promote taking the jab. Anyway it won't suit every pub but I've heard that in some areas all over 18 are vaccinated now.

I can't believe it is actually going to happen tbh. I used to work in a place that did pensioner pints and it was embarrassing asking for ID. The idea of asking everyone who enters for ID and a cert to get served sounds horrible and open to more arguments from the type who post here bragging about how they told the staff this and that.

PTH2009

Fuming i bet they will want to close outdoor hospitality soon

No way will they reopen indoor on the 19th July.

Tenzor07

Well there ya go, pubs and restaurants to stay closed, or if lucky enough to be able to have a few tables on the footpath outside...

Staff and business owners left sitting at home for 16 months now taking the blame for all this... Flatten curve...done...keep hospital numbers low...done...oh errmmm....stay closed until we vaccinate more... lies..

bladespin

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No good for the staff, they can't do that...

Unelected officials on €150,000+ making decisions to keep people out of work without having a clue about how business works.... I mean expecting young unvaccinated staff to go serve vaccinated and unvaccinated indoors and outdoors...
Hotels open for a number of weeks now for indoor dining and no Delta outbreaks..

Ireland the outlier time after time, destroying the economy to keep case numbers low...

That's my point really, I can jump on a plane and fly to the UK to carry essential work, drive around, have a bit of fun then fly back - no need to quarantine or restrict yet, can't go for lunch here, it's laughable tbh.

[Deleted User]

is_that_so wrote: »

350K shots last week, similar enough this week, over 40% fully vaccinated, heading for 60% with at least one dose so yeah "somewhere between a joke and criminal".

Your reminder that the Government didn't bother convening the first meeting of the Vaccination Committee until after a vaccine had already been approved for use.

Incompetent to the point of negligence.