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Anyone know what channel it's on? The jim sheridan documentary about sophie toscan du plantier

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Pintman Paddy Losty

Hi I watched the first two episodes on Sky Crime last night, how has everyone seen the whole series? Is there another way to watch it?

am_zarathustra

It's also took 6 hours to call murder squad down so they ended up in Christmas traffic after work. 6 hours is a long time to make a standard phonecall, no regional guards investigated murders of this type and the reasons for that are obvious from this investigation.

The missing job books and the tampered ones are very telling, not everyone would have access to them, they are unbelievably important in an investigation. I know guards retired who still keep rough copies and their private notes in case something ever comes back up (not strictly allowed I think but hard to destroy them too if the case is ongoing and your invested). It's interesting comparing this to the work done on the TG4 show Marú inár Measc, I was watching the Phyllis Murphy episode and the guards work on that was impeccable, 17 years before west cork and they had preserved DNA, chain of custody, all the notes, a real determination to get to the facts in the case and bring justice for the family........what happened in Schull wasn't the standard by any stretch, the GSOC investigation should have been a lot more damning

Sadb

I told ya wrote: »

Watched about 35 minutes of E1.

Couldn't believe the Guard from the Technical Bureau say that when they arrived in W Cork, the local Garda Station was closed for the night and they did not have a mobile phone. Whatever about not having an official mobile phone, I would be amassed if at least one of them did not have a personal mobile.

Also, left Dublin at 3.30pm and arrived in W Cork at 10pm. Yes. I accept 23 December traffic and no M7/M8, Jack Lynch Tunnel etc but effectively, a day wasted. Could they not have used a bit of top brass pressure/back channels and get the Aer Corps to helicopter some of them there with basic equipment.

Looks v poor from the outside, IMO for what it's worth.

In 1996?? I would doubt it. I didn’t know a single person that had a mobile phone in 1996. The fact that the first person called to the scene was a priest should tell you how far we’ve come since then!

notahappycamper

I told ya wrote: »

From what I recall at the time, from reading various articles, there was no official State Pathologist, laboratory, support staff, etc. Prof Harbison was on a retainer to act when requested by An GS. This may be clarified in the series or in some article.

He was the first State Pathologist in 1974. I believe (as per the FAQ on the State Pathologist website) in all cases that the Gardai inform the coroner and then the coroner requests the State Pathologist to perform a post mortem to determine the cause of death. It has been said that the scene was not properly preserved and the local Garda walked all over it. Bailey was known to have a violent history with women. Whether he did it or not will never be known.

corcaigh07

Haven't seen the last episode yet but the West Cork podcast is one of the best ever, this show was never going to compare.

Ian Bailey is the biggest narcissist but Jim Sheridan runs him close!

shivermetimber

The amount of shenanigans by the guards is the most suspicious of all.

Delay with getting state pathologist to scene
Lack of evidence gathering and follow up on credible leads
Intimidation and coercion (Marie Farrell statements)
Bribery and fabrication (Leo Bolger and Martin Graham).
Fear mongering (telling locals we know he did it and will kill again)
Leaking of case info to press (evident in civil action)
Illegal recording of calls (bandon scandal / fennelly commission)
Loss of major evidence (eg the iron gate)
Loss of witness statements and suspect files.

I told ya

notahappycamper wrote: »

Yes, very poor that a day was wasted. This was a murder and the State Pathologist should have got his ass down there asap either by helicopter or Garda escort noting time was of the essence and the time of year. It was 1996, not 1896. The truth will never be known unless there is a confession at this stage.

From what I recall at the time, from reading various articles, there was no official State Pathologist, laboratory, support staff, etc. Prof Harbison was on a retainer to act when requested by An GS. This may be clarified in the series or in some article.

Deeec

Addle wrote: »

If you’ve listened to the podcast, there’s nothing new in it, so it’s disappointing.
Sheridan likes to be in front of the camera as much as Bailey. He’s not a natural presenter/documentarian.
I’d recommend the West Cork podcast over it.

I agree West Cork podcast is excellent. Only thing I got out of the sky documentary was visual regarding the location etc. I didnt realise that there was another house so close to Sophies house.

Its a very strange case. I find it odd that she was there at christmas. Its a very remote and desolate location in winter. The explanation of the heating not working didnt make sense. Why would she need to be there to get the heating fixed? Why go stay in a house where the heating is not working in the depths of winter?

Bailey is a nutter but I dont think he done it. My theory is the answer to who murdered Sophie lies in France. I think she was targeted.

notahappycamper

Yes, very poor that a day was wasted. This was a murder and the State Pathologist should have got his ass down there asap either by helicopter or Garda escort noting time was of the essence and the time of year. It was 1996, not 1896. The truth will never be known unless there is a confession at this stage.

I told ya

Watched about 35 minutes of E1.

Couldn't believe the Guard from the Technical Bureau say that when they arrived in W Cork, the local Garda Station was closed for the night and they did not have a mobile phone. Whatever about not having an official mobile phone, I would be amassed if at least one of them did not have a personal mobile.

Also, left Dublin at 3.30pm and arrived in W Cork at 10pm. Yes. I accept 23 December traffic and no M7/M8, Jack Lynch Tunnel etc but effectively, a day wasted. Could they not have used a bit of top brass pressure/back channels and get the Aer Corps to helicopter some of them there with basic equipment.

Looks v poor from the outside, IMO for what it's worth.

Sadb

I thought it was good. Maybe a bit too Ian Bailey centric but good insight into his personality.

I suppose there is nothing new to be learned about the case. There isn’t any new evidence that can be magicked up. The only thing that can solve it now is an actual confession.

That Marie Farrell seems completely cracked. When I heard the description of the man with a beret I thought they must be joking. I don’t believe a single thing she said and obviously just wanted to insert herself into the investigation.

Also what was the whole thing about “Fiona”? she rings first from a phone box somewhere and then rings from her house so they were able to trace the number. Now she says the guards told her to say those things but why were they appealing for “Fiona” to come forward so?!

Mantis Toboggan

Enjoyed the first episode, gave a good idea of the isolation of where the murder happened and hinted at the incompetence of the Gardai, the fact they left her there on the road for a second night is ludicrous.

deisedude

Mr.S wrote: »

I thought the family has their interviews removed, but they are all in it?

The family were interviewed for the series but they felt the documentary was too sympathetic to Bailey and asked that all their interviews be removed so the filmmakers could only use archived footage from interviews in the past

am_zarathustra

30th of June I think!

Mantis Toboggan

When's the Netflix doc out?

Addle

If you’ve listened to the podcast, there’s nothing new in it, so it’s disappointing.
Sheridan likes to be in front of the camera as much as Bailey. He’s not a natural presenter/documentarian.
I’d recommend the West Cork podcast over it.

am_zarathustra

Mr.S wrote: »

I thought the family has their interviews removed, but they are all in it?

Confused myself. Didn't think it was that explosive but well made. I'd hoped for more about the gsoc investigation and the discrepancies in the case files. Maybe the Netflix one will have a different slant

notahappycamper

Mr.S wrote: »

I thought the family has their interviews removed, but they are all in it?

I thought that too but note the interviews with her parents say “Archived interview”. So, maybe there were more recent interviews for this documentary?

gmisk

Only one episode in, I know the basics of the story, but seems well made so far.
The focus on Jim Sheridan and how he feels about the case is a bit odd.
Fairly gripping all the same.

Gator

Found it quite good tbh, wasnt really old enough to take it in fully at the time and you kinda get soundbytes over the years. Its good to have the bones of it on screen i think, must listen to that podcast

Marcusm

Not great at all; some insight into the character of Bailey, poignant scenes with the son at the cottage but overall little in the way of analysis. Sheridan spent too much time on camera, it’s not his forte. His scene-setting in the first 10 minutes was difficult to endure. And yes, I have watched all episodes despite the beautiful day outside.

upupup

Its available to watch now on sky.

am_zarathustra

Yeah, Murder in West Cork I think, due out the end of the month.

Mantis Toboggan

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Not a good sign.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/toscan-du-plantier-family-have-interviews-wiped-from-jim-sheridan-series-1.4597241

That's ridiculous

notahappycamper

Are Netflix doing a separate documentary on this case?

Hangdogroad

Not a good sign.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/toscan-du-plantier-family-have-interviews-wiped-from-jim-sheridan-series-1.4597241

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/SkyIreland/status/1400718495873220610

whatawaster81

See this will air Sunday week with all episodes available. Looking forward to it. Trailer doesn't give much away
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/true-crime/murder-at-the-cottage-release-date/

robwen

https://twitter.com/SkyIreland/status/1396471397338206209?s=19

gmisk

upupup wrote: »

Netflix are also releasing a documentary series on the murder.This series was made with the blessing of the du Plantier family so i think we are going to see different stories.Bailey "didn't do it" and Bailey "did it"
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-40293017.html

Is it possible a legal challenge between the two productions?
I know Louis theroux was basically not allowed to interview hardly anyone related to Joe Exotic in his recent revisited doc due to Netflix having everyone in seriously tight contracts