VonLuck wrote: » That's not something that you can do overnight. That takes years of education from a very young age. You need a solution in the short term, which is more bins. You failed to highlight the next part of my sentence which said to empty them more regularly. A full bin attracts rubbish, an empty one doesn't. Also, no need to be a pedant about my rocket science comment. You're fully aware that it's a common idiom.
Treppen wrote: » So now we've more bins that need to be emptied more regularly. What about the previous situation where there were less bins which needed to be emptied more regularly. Even if you put skips dotted around the park they wouldn't be emptied regularly enough. More bins attract more rubbish in them + the rubbish beside them. It's not brain surgery.
VonLuck wrote: » Are you suggesting we remove bins altogether? By your logic we'd have a litter free city: more bins = more rubbish, less bins = less rubbish, no bins = no rubbish?
Treppen wrote: » Ive never found it any hassle going for picnics in a park or beach, I just bring the stuff home. In fact, I'd prefer to bring it home as it'll be somewhat properly segregated , instead whatever we dump into the park bins all goes to the tip, food or cardboard or aluminium. Now... I'm no fool either, I know a lot of the green bin "recyclable" stuff often goes to incinerators anyway, but at least it's accounted for. So if I can do it...and I'm no brain surgeon or rocket scientist... then so can anyone.
Treppen wrote: » For cities then there's an understanding from the outset. 1. There are no bins here. There never will be. 2 What are you going to do with your rubbish? 3. There is only one logical solution.
highdef wrote: » Why do you say that an expectation for people to bring their rubbish home is "expecting way too much"? As far as I can see it, it's asking very very little. All that people need to bring with them when heading to a park/beach/whatever is a bag. When empty, they take up very little room and in fact the chances are that if they have litter when going home, they most likely had a bag to start with anyway in order to carry whatever stuff they brought to their destination. So it's a simple case of putting the rubbish into the bag or bags that they most likely have on their person anyway and go home with it. In short, they go home with less stuff than what they went out with earlier in the day. How on earth do you classify that as "expecting way too much?". It's expecting f#@k all!
VonLuck wrote: » Because everyone has seen what happens. Do you not think that people are already asked not to litter? They do it anyways! Obviously they should bring home their rubbish but just telling them is going to have zero effect in the short term. Years of education from a young age is the only way to change this behaviour.
Treppen wrote: » They do it anyway because they have the same old tired excuses.. Not enough bins, bins not emptied quick enough.. I'll just throw it nearby.
VonLuck wrote: » Simply telling them to bring their rubbish home won't change anything. That takes years of education from a young age and even a cultural change. Bins are the temporary solution to the problem and education is the long term goal.
Thoie wrote: » There's been anti-litter campaigns on the go in primary schools and up from at least the 1980s - how much more education is needed? Surely at this stage there can't be anyone out there over the age of 6 who isn't already aware that littering is not OK? I remember one poster was something like "bin it or bring it home".
VonLuck wrote: » So if we can't teach children not to litter, what hope do we have? Clearly there is some failing in education if people grow up thinking that it's okay to throw rubbish wherever they like.
VonLuck wrote: » And why do you think people will suddenly start bringing their rubbish home if there are no bins when they just throw it anywhere on the ground if there are very few bins?
Treppen wrote: » Parents are primary educators. I tell my kids to bring rubbish home... Listening to parents on radio the last few days saying that their little darlings had no choice.... not enough bins... Council not emptying quick enough (sound familiar?)..God love em.
Treppen wrote: » Because there will be no excuse.
Treppen wrote: » Look at the photo, it was thrown around the bins.
