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EU Digital/paper! Certs, the Megathread - threadbans in OP

biko

This is to be implemented in 2 years time.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf

Commission proposal for a common vaccination card/passport for EU citizens

https://www.vaccinestoday.eu/stories/eu-considers-vaccination-passport-for-kids/

The ultimate goal of a vaccination passport would be to ensure that children who move between countries with different immunisation schedules do not miss out on crucial vaccinations. A similar scheme is already in place for pets and has helped boost vaccination rates, according to the European Commission.

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Southeasterly

Now fully vaccinated with flights to Spain booked.

Just realised that the vaccination card I received is in my married name, but my passport and tickets are in my maiden name.
Does anyone have any thoughts how this will impact my EU green cert, will it be possible to get it issued in my maiden name?

Tenger

Ive ordered a WHO vaccination book from Amazon. Going to get my GP to complete it for my J&J shot.

I dont expect the DCC to be rolled out in time for 19th July so that will be accepted globally.

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Oisín hasn't a clue and definitely hasn't been briefed
Its all part of the admirably brilliant strategy to hide the digital covid cert in plain sight...so as to get another week or two or a month (Tony's hope)before the masses discover its available easily
Absolutely infuriating for those that want to travel
Absolutely brilliant for everyone else
100% deliberate

Fann Linn

Multipass wrote: »

Haha, ‘the HSE will contact you’ - so that’s how they’re planning to stop travel. I’m sure the HSE will be prompt as always :pac:

Pathetic alright. From a Govt minister too. You'd imagine with all the money spent on advisors that they could do something better than the above. Juvenile, incoherent, gibberish.

Multipass

Fann Linn wrote: »

From today:
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/minister-outlines-process-to-obtain-covid-cert-for-travel-abroad-1144933.html

Haha, ‘the HSE will contact you’ - so that’s how they’re planning to stop travel. I’m sure the HSE will be prompt as always :pac:

Fann Linn

From today:
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/minister-outlines-process-to-obtain-covid-cert-for-travel-abroad-1144933.html

Marcusm

Goldengirl wrote: »

Wouldn't be difficult to have a card / document with all of these details recorded ( ppsn , vaccinations) but may cause a bit of schtick from civil liberties groups .....eg backlash re public services card .

The portal eliminates the requirement for this for MVCs, the GP access for their cohort. At the time of actual disease, the importance is to treat it and get on patient records rather than waiting for it to facilitate travel. I suspect there will be a workaround but it will require manual intervention and be cumbersome.

Goldengirl

Marcusm wrote: »

McCallion from the HSE was on the News at One. In relation to a question of how covid-recoverees could be fully vaccinated after a single vaccine, he noted that those who had a positive test had been recorded in different means such that it might not be on their central register. He recommended making it known at the time of the first vaccination. By extrapolation, the same MIGHT be necessary for the DCC. It seems likely that PPSN will be the identifier and it was noted that these were not necessarily recorded for positive tests. It may be that you’ll need to claim/prove your infection!

Wouldn't be difficult to have a card / document with all of these details recorded ( ppsn , vaccinations) but may cause a bit of schtick from civil liberties groups .....eg backlash re public services card .

Marcusm

valor rorghulis wrote: »

Hi All

Has there been any info released on how we go about getting our Covid Certificates set up in the app (has an app been set up yet?)

Specifically for myself I had covid recently, so want to know how I will prove this. Have an SMS from HSE saying I had a positive result but obviously anyone could do that up in photoshop

Anyone had a doctor issue them a certificate to confirm tested positive? MY doc called me for a covid review after I had it so they must have been informed of the infection

seamus wrote: »

No info has been released, but I expect that if you've had a positive result you've probably supplied your PPSN, so your certificate can be attached to you that way.

McCallion from the HSE was on the News at One. In relation to a question of how covid-recoverees could be fully vaccinated after a single vaccine, he noted that those who had a positive test had been recorded in different means such that it might not be on their central register. He recommended making it known at the time of the first vaccination. By extrapolation, the same MIGHT be necessary for the DCC. It seems likely that PPSN will be the identifier and it was noted that these were not necessarily recorded for positive tests. It may be that you’ll need to claim/prove your infection!

seamus

No info has been released, but I expect that if you've had a positive result you've probably supplied your PPSN, so your certificate can be attached to you that way.

valor rorghulis

Hi All

Has there been any info released on how we go about getting our Covid Certificates set up in the app (has an app been set up yet?)

Specifically for myself I had covid recently, so want to know how I will prove this. Have an SMS from HSE saying I had a positive result but obviously anyone could do that up in photoshop

Anyone had a doctor issue them a certificate to confirm tested positive? MY doc called me for a covid review after I had it so they must have been informed of the infection

biko

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-vaccine-passport-plans-be-scrapped-telegraph-2021-05-30/

Britain plans to drop COVID-19 passports as a legal requirement for large events, The Daily Telegraph reported on Sunday.
There has been mounting concern over the prospect of vaccine certificates voiced by the UK's Conservative Party, as well as opposition lawmakers and civil rights groups. In April, Prime Minister Boris Johnson also signaled the ethical issues posed by COVID-19 vaccine certification.

Lumen

bodhrandude wrote: »

My brother in Scotland says they are fully inoculated now but they didn't get the vaccination card like we do, I presume in the UK there will be a digital version my brother can use when he is travelling abroad.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vaccine/after-your-vaccine/get-a-record-of-your-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-status

bodhrandude

My brother in Scotland says they are fully inoculated now but they didn't get the vaccination card like we do, I presume in the UK there will be a digital version my brother can use when he is travelling abroad.

lionmqj

Doodah7 wrote: »

Stay at home then??

Not as bad as I thought. If you are vaccinated or have had Covid 19 in the last 6 months then no need to get a PCR (or whatever they decide to use).
Just a test for the kids so, if I wanted to go abroad.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mid-july-the-target-for-eu-digital-green-pass-to-be-operating-in-ireland-1132284.html

robinph

robinph wrote: »

The UK one is just a page showing the date of vaccination, which one and the batch number. No QR codes or anything that a third party could reference back to confirm the text on the page is genuine.

At some point in the last week the NHS app has now been updated and includes a scannable QR code regarding vaccine status. I assume this is some agreed international standard format of what data it includes, but doesn't say anywhere what that might be.

Lemon Davis lll

The EU are going to have to make some provision for children, other than requiring PCR tests at a prohibitive cost.

Antigen testing perhaps?

Doodah7

lionmqj wrote: »

Ok so with no vaccine and a negative test = digital green cert for children

Just looked up the cost of PCR testing. It ain't gonna be cheap by the time you pay for yourself, your wife and your kids.
https://www.dublinairport.com/covid-19/pre-departure-covid-19-testing

Stay at home then??

lionmqj

Minier81 wrote: »

I would presume yes. While they won't be vaccinated there is no reason why they can't get a covid test within 48/72 hours and record the result on their digital green cert to travel.

Ok so with no vaccine and a negative test = digital green cert for children

Just looked up the cost of PCR testing. It ain't gonna be cheap by the time you pay for yourself, your wife and your kids.
https://www.dublinairport.com/covid-19/pre-departure-covid-19-testing

Beasty

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Minier81

I would presume yes. While they won't be vaccinated there is no reason why they can't get a covid test within 48/72 hours and record the result on their digital green cert to travel.

lionmqj

Could be a stupid question. Will children need a digital Covid certificate to travel?
There are no plans to vaccinate children under 16 of course I know.

Wikidy

The NHS app is only available in England at the moment (based on being registered for a GP in England). I don't know what Scotland, Wales and NI are planning.

Not sure if the NHS immunization card you get is sufficient for travel.

Would affect anyone vaccinated in NI being left in limbo in terms of travel

plodder

votecounts wrote: »

Will people be able to use a paper based one, thinking of some people who may not have a smartphone , etc. Think I remember reading that there was option of a paper based one.

I assume you will be able to print it out, or use it on a phone, much the same as boarding passes of yore. The portal that is being used for vaccine bookings would be the logical place to centralise the data. So, details of recent tests if you're not vaccinated would just be there.

robinph

plodder wrote: »

I don't know about the NHS app, but the EU one (which can just be a paper cert as well) will have a QR code that can be scanned and checked online to be authentic. You would have to check the name with separate photo-id then. But, if you are prepared to show the cert to someone, then I don't see why the EU would restrict that person's ability to do the verification then. It seems pretty straightforward for international travel at least.

The UK one is just a page showing the date of vaccination, which one and the batch number. No QR codes or anything that a third party could reference back to confirm the text on the page is genuine.

Skippette

votecounts wrote: »

Will people be able to use a paper based one, thinking of some people who may not have a smartphone , etc. Think I remember reading that there was option of a paper based one.

Paper based will be available on request. Personally, I will need to request a paper based cert for my 2 kids who will need to have a negative antigen test to travel.

votecounts

Will people be able to use a paper based one, thinking of some people who may not have a smartphone , etc. Think I remember reading that there was option of a paper based one.

plodder

robinph wrote: »

The NHS app doesn't really prove anything much though, and certainly not in any way which wouldn't be simple to take a screenshot of and make some minor edits and have as a photo on your phone to show to anyone who may ask. There is no way for the third party to verify what it is showing, and as other medical information is shown on other screens in the app I certainly wouldn't be handing the phone over for anyone else to have a look around at to see if the app was genuine or not.

I don't know about the NHS app, but the EU one (which can just be a paper cert as well) will have a QR code that can be scanned and checked online to be authentic. You would have to check the name with separate photo-id then. But, if you are prepared to show the cert to someone, then I don't see why the EU would restrict that person's ability to do the verification then. It seems pretty straightforward for international travel at least.

robinph

goingnowhere wrote: »

The EU travel passport will cover this, single app for the entire EU and will allow for vaccination OR recent test result

The UK NHS app shows the vaccinations (and is a general purpose health services app in the UK) the NHS Covid-19 tracking app is separate. We the EU is doing the exact same thing except across 27 countries with a single app which make a lot more sense to avoid hassles at borders. The EEA countries will likely be offered to get onboard also

The NHS app doesn't really prove anything much though, and certainly not in any way which wouldn't be simple to take a screenshot of and make some minor edits and have as a photo on your phone to show to anyone who may ask. There is no way for the third party to verify what it is showing, and as other medical information is shown on other screens in the app I certainly wouldn't be handing the phone over for anyone else to have a look around at to see if the app was genuine or not.

ginoginelli

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Sorry if this has been covered but anyone know what will the situation be for young babies/infants who will be travelling after the vaccine travel certs? They obviously won't receive a vaccine and hardly need to go through testing?

Young babies and infants - under 1 years of age are at a much higher risk of covid complications than other kids. Its thought their immune system only becomes strong enough to brush it off after 1 years of age.

If you have kids under 1 travel is a risk for them.