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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) Mod warnings in OP

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joe40

I would appreciate thoughts on this. A friend of mine has a child in primary school, 2nd class I think. There was a case in the class so the child had to isolate, test etc.

However the school then said that her siblings also had to stay off until the first test came back.
Surely that is not HSE guidelines. My understanding is that contacts of confirmed cases obviously have to isolate, but contacts of contacts do not.
Obviously if the test comes back positive then they are contacts.

Would that be the norm in primary school or just an individual principal putting his own interpretation on rules.

Imo it was a bit mad, kids have missed enough this year.

SusanC10

joe40 wrote: »

I would appreciate thoughts on this. A friend of mine has a child in primary school, 2nd class I think. There was a case in the class so the child had to isolate, test etc.

However the school then said that her siblings also had to stay off until the first test came back.
Surely that is not HSE guidelines. My understanding is that contacts of confirmed cases obviously have to isolate, but contacts of contacts do not.
Obviously if the test comes back positive then they are contacts.

Would that be the norm in primary school or just an individual principal putting his own interpretation on rules.

Imo it was a bit mad, kids have missed enough this year.

My understanding is that Close Contacts who are not showing any symptoms have to isolate (and get tested) but their household members do not.
But if the Close Contact becomes symptomatic or tests positive then all household members need to isolate and get tested.

That having been said, as Parents Husband & I agreed before the kids went back to school that if either of them were classed as a close contact then we would keep the other at home until a negative test.

noplacehere

SusanC10 wrote: »

My understanding is that Close Contacts who are not showing any symptoms have to isolate (and get tested) but their household members do not.
But if the Close Contact becomes symptomatic or tests positive then all household members need to isolate and get tested.

That having been said, as Parents Husband & I agreed before the kids went back to school that if either of them were classed as a close contact then we would keep the other at home until a negative test.

As a parent we do the same. It’s better for the school and usually only a 24-48hold for them at most

joe40

SusanC10 wrote: »

My understanding is that Close Contacts who are not showing any symptoms have to isolate (and get tested) but their household members do not.
But if the Close Contact becomes symptomatic or tests positive then all household members need to isolate and get tested.

That having been said, as Parents Husband & I agreed before the kids went back to school that if either of them were classed as a close contact then we would keep the other at home until a negative test.

Thats fair enough if it is your decision, but it is unfair for schools to force that on all parents.
I fully support following all HSE guidelines, but I think it is wrong for schools to put there own interpretation on the rules.

[Deleted User]

joe40 wrote: »

I would appreciate thoughts on this. A friend of mine has a child in primary school, 2nd class I think. There was a case in the class so the child had to isolate, test etc.

However the school then said that her siblings also had to stay off until the first test came back.
Surely that is not HSE guidelines. My understanding is that contacts of confirmed cases obviously have to isolate, but contacts of contacts do not.
Obviously if the test comes back positive then they are contacts.

Would that be the norm in primary school or just an individual principal putting his own interpretation on rules.

Imo it was a bit mad, kids have missed enough this year.

In this scenario, if the child was infected, it would be 6-10 days at least after exposure before any siblings would subsequently become infectious

[Deleted User]

A question:

Are teachers entitled to claim the allowance/tax relief granted to all other workers for working from home during COVID-19?

wirelessdude01

TheTorment wrote: »

A question:

Are teachers entitled to claim the allowance/tax relief granted to all other workers for working from home during COVID-19?

I didn't bother. No commute meant damn all money on fuel. I'd normally spend €60-70 a week so thought it would be cheeky to then claim the tax allowance even though I was entitled to.

[Deleted User]

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I didn't bother. No commute meant damn all money on fuel. I'd normally spend €60-70 a week so thought it would be cheeky to then claim the tax allowance even though I was entitled to.

Fair enough I suppose....but don't you think you pay enough tax anyway?? Be nice to get something back and you are entitled to it....

Anyone any idea how I'd go about claiming it please?

SusanC10

TheTorment wrote: »

Fair enough I suppose....but don't you think you pay enough tax anyway?? Be nice to get something back and you are entitled to it....

Anyone any idea how I'd go about claiming it please?

I think that if the Employer doesn't offer it, then you need to submit bills etc and are given a rebate of those of a certain amount. Open to correction here but seems anecdotally the amounts are small.

hesaidshesaid

Deleted User wrote: »

In this scenario, if the child was infected, it would be 6-10 days at least after exposure before any siblings would subsequently become infectious

Unless they were already infected, that is, at the same time as their sibling. They could quite possibly be infected and asymptomatic.

[Deleted User]

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Unless they were already infected, that is, at the same time as their sibling. They could quite possibly be infected and asymptomatic.

Child A is positive .

Child B is a contact

Child B stays off from school

4 to 6 days later child B becomes infectious

Child C, child B’s sibling is exposed to child B during infectious period

Child C becomes infectious 4 to 6 days later

Now why would child C need to stay home from school once child A was identified as a case, given in the 10 days before they become infectious child B will be tested twice

Rollercoaster

TheTorment wrote: »

Fair enough I suppose....but don't you think you pay enough tax anyway?? Be nice to get something back and you are entitled to it....

Anyone any idea how I'd go about claiming it please?

Information is available on the Revenue.ie website.

See this link:

https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/eworking/how-to-claim.aspx

TheDriver

Rollercoaster wrote: »

Information is available on the Revenue.ie website.

See this link:

https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/eworking/how-to-claim.aspx

It seems tiny when u see worked examples. Doesn't look worth it.

Geuze

TheDriver wrote: »

It seems tiny when u see worked examples. Doesn't look worth it.

Yes, it is small.

10% of elec/gas, 30% of broadband.

My elec is 80 pm approx.

10% of that is 8.00, but note that I must account for weekends, etc.

Maybe 5.30 pm, at 40%, means 2 euro tax relief per month.

JP Liz V1

Cork school outbreak

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40291736.html

History Queen

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Cork school outbreak

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40291736.html

Awful situation for those involved.

Brendan Bendar

History Queen wrote: »

Awful situation for those involved.

Indeed…… where are all the cretins who are demanding the opening of indoor dining now.

Where are the cretins who ignore the normal regulations such a masking up ,social distancing, no mixing in houses, no play dates.

Where are they now….

jrosen

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Indeed…… where are all the cretins who are demanding the opening of indoor dining now.

Where are the cretins who ignore the normal regulations such a masking up ,social distancing, no mixing in houses, no play dates.

Where are they now….

Id imagine happily living their lives.

Vaccine rollout is going well, life is getting back on track for many businesses finally. There is no going back now, we will be living with covid imo.

drunkmonkey

Anyone listen to Pat Kenny this morning, this is exactly where antigen tests should be used in outbreaks like schools, test at home for a couple of days then back to school if all good, those PCR tests are throwing up 50% past infections, the people are no longer infectious or you could be sending them back with a negative test but they could be at peak infection 3 days later.
Antigen will pick up a transmissible case, the rate of false positives was quoted at 10 in 300,000, test again if positive to confirm.
Seems like schools need to follow businesses in using quick tests if they're to remain functional.

Wombatman

UK government fiddling data on Covid in schools. Would never happen here....:rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/no-10-tried-to-block-data-on-spread-of-new-covid-variant-in-english-schools

glack

Wombatman wrote: »

UK government fiddling data on Covid in schools. Would never happen here....:rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/no-10-tried-to-block-data-on-spread-of-new-covid-variant-in-english-schools

Definitely is happening here. We had an outbreak and the handling by HSE/Public Health was disgraceful! I had some faith in the system before but I’ve absolutely none now.

Midnight Sundance

Child in my class was off with flu symptoms, apparently still has cough but parents wants to return child to school tomorrow. Principal seems OK with this.
What exactly are the rules regarding returning to school after displaying covid symptoms.
Principal seems pretty relaxed so far about any kids I've had concerns about, if they have a cough I'm told they have to also have a temp
Is this true?
What if parent is masking the temp with calpol.

I dont want to go in tomorrow if there's a chance this child has covid and Principal let's child comes back without a covid test.

I've had to test my kids numerous times already for a lot less symptoms than this and I'm confused as everyone I ask seems to have different rules

Golfwidow

Midnight Sundance wrote: »

Child in my class was off with flu symptoms, apparently still has cough but parents wants to return child to school tomorrow. Principal seems OK with this.
What exactly are the rules regarding returning to school after displaying covid symptoms.
Principal seems pretty relaxed so far about any kids I've had concerns about, if they have a cough I'm told they have to also have a temp
Is this true?
What if parent is masking the temp with calpol.

I dont want to go in tomorrow if there's a chance this child has covid and Principal let's child comes back without a covid test.

I've had to test my kids numerous times already for a lot less symptoms than this and I'm confused as everyone I ask seems to have different rules

In my view, your principal is very wrong. Where I work, we ask parents to contact GP with any flu/cold symptoms. Members of my own family did not all have a temperature with Covid. That seems to have been more common with earlier variants. In fact, a sore throat /headaches very common. We’ve also been informed now that there is no contact tracing for schools due to the cyber attack. Stand your ground. Your health is important. Teachers and SNAs have been sold out with no vaccination priority. My sister, also a teacher contracted Covid at school. Her first signs were fatigue and change in taste. Other symptoms including temperature came days later.

Midnight Sundance

Golfwidow wrote: »

In my view, your principal is very wrong. Where I work, we ask parents to contact GP with any flu/cold symptoms. Members of my own family did not all have a temperature with Covid. That seems to have been more common with earlier variants. In fact, a sore throat /headaches very common. We’ve also been informed now that there is no contact tracing for schools due to the cyber attack. Stand your ground. Your health is important. Teachers and SNAs have been sold out with no vaccination priority. My sister, also a teacher contracted Covid at school. Her first signs were fatigue and change in taste. Other symptoms including temperature came days later.

Thank you.
I'm very concerned that any child that doesn't have a temp is deemed grand to be In school. So many of my kids have been off for a day because they had a cough but then come in the next day and when I question it I'm told it has to be a persistent cough along with high temp
I've had kids with sore throats and headaches and along with cough and told they're fine and never once have parents been asked for a doctor note to say they're OK.
My own children have been tested numerous times now for being a little off, and I've been made sign a form to day they are OK to return . Never have any of the parents of children in my class had to sign a form like this.

Golfwidow

Midnight Sundance wrote: »

Thank you.
I'm very concerned that any child that doesn't have a temp is deemed grand to be In school. So many of my kids have been off for a day because they had a cough but then come in the next day and when I question it I'm told it has to be a persistent cough along with high temp
I've had kids with sore throats and headaches and along with cough and told they're fine and never once have parents been asked for a doctor note to say they're OK.
My own children have been tested numerous times now for being a little off, and I've been made sign a form to day they are OK to return . Never have any of the parents of children in my class had to sign a form like this.

Can you bring this to attention of ISM? What about your Lead Worker Representative? Use example of protocol in your children’s and other local schools to drive home what should be practice in your work place? Emphasise that you don’t feel safe and would appreciate more protection in line with common practices in schools. Put in writing if you don’t feel listened to. Make sure you have support from others. Best of luck.

ShineOn7

Wombatman wrote: »

UK government fiddling data on Covid in schools. Would never happen here....:rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/no-10-tried-to-block-data-on-spread-of-new-covid-variant-in-english-schools

glack wrote: »

Definitely is happening here. We had an outbreak and the handling by HSE/Public Health was disgraceful! I had some faith in the system before but I’ve absolutely none now.

There - one thousand percent - has been manipulation with School outbreak data

[Deleted User]

ShineOn7 wrote: »

There - one thousand percent - has been manipulation with School outbreak data

Because you say so.

There was excellent data from return in March until the it issues hit. Evidence otherwise is anecdotal at best and more resembles hysteria than anything else.

ShineOn7

Deleted User wrote: »

Because you say so.

Because glack above said so

Because others in this thread have said so too

Are they all liars?

Remember when they would put the increase in cases down to "household outbreaks" when the Schools returned?

It was a "household" case alright, in so much that many of them were brought into the household via the Schools

JDD

I do think that Midnight Sundance has a valid grievance here. If a child has a cough, and no temperature, they school should insist that the parents call the GP.

Now, the GP may decide that the child does not need a covid test. In my experience my GP is very relaxed and seems to be reluctant to send children for tests unless they have another symptom along with the cough. It appears to me that GPs have been told to look for two symptoms in children.

All the same, even if the child's GP doesn't think a covid test is warranted, the child should stay home until a) the cough is gone or b) the cough is still there but the GP has signed off that the child is fine to return to school.

All the above has been implemented in our child's primary school and they are religious about it. We haven't had an outbreak at all - just one positive child during the Christmas holidays and one in March - and there are over 500 children in the school.

khalessi

JDD wrote: »

I do think that Midnight Sundance has a valid grievance here. If a child has a cough, and no temperature, they school should insist that the parents call the GP.

Now, the GP may decide that the child does not need a covid test. In my experience my GP is very relaxed and seems to be reluctant to send children for tests unless they have another symptom along with the cough. It appears to me that GPs have been told to look for two symptoms in children.

All the same, even if the child's GP doesn't think a covid test is warranted, the child should stay home until a) the cough is gone or b) the cough is still there but the GP has signed off that the child is fine to return to school.

All the above has been implemented in our child's primary school and they are religious about it. We haven't had an outbreak at all - just one positive child during the Christmas holidays and one in March - and there are over 500 children in the school.

If a child shows one symptom of Covid they should be tested, not all children with covid have temperatures. So yup while it is an inconvenience it is part of Health and Safety protocol