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Patrick2010

Saw 6 million euro was raised yesterday for Pieta to prevent suicide. I looked but can’t see how this money is spent or how much their executives earn, does anyone know?

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One eyed Jack

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If you think you will get someone capable of managing an organisation of 200 people with 13 centres for less than 120k pa, then you don't know what you are talking about. I'll leave you at it.

There are plenty of people who could manage a small organisation of 200 people with 13 centres and would do so on a voluntary basis. They can easily be got. Pieta doesn’t want to get them, what Pieta wants (and I can’t say I blame them) is to increase their public profile, in order to bring in more funding from the public and the HSE. They opened a branch in New York a couple of years ago, funded in part by the Irish Government.

They are an example of a charity organisation that appears to have forgotten what the word charity means, in favour of operating the organisation like a pyramid scheme.

lawred2

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If you think you will get someone capable of managing an organisation of 200 people with 13 centres for less than 120k pa, then you don't know what you are talking about. I'll leave you at it.

The heist is that these charities are needed in the first place. That 500k while maybe "well spent" in the context of a the individuals involved and their abilities is still 500k that should be spent by the state through the already middle management and admin heavy HSE on 15 - 20 councillors.

13m revenue. Christ. 13m would be pocket change to the HSE. Yet how many councillors and team leads would that pay for in the HSE!?

We're complete mugs.

Bannasidhe

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If you think you will get someone capable of managing an organisation of 200 people with 13 centres for less than 120k pa, then you don't know what you are talking about. I'll leave you at it.

If you think the CEO is involved in the day to day organisation of 200 people and the running of 13 centres you don't know what you are talking about. I'll leave you at it.

shtpEdthePlum

A former colleague confided in me that they were basically turfed out the door when they accessed Pieta two years ago. Having been referred by a counselling service in work as they mentioned that they have suicidal thoughts, they had two sessions and the therapist started to discuss discharge.

This person as far as I'm aware has huge stress at home and I believe they are a very subtle drug user. They mentioned it to me years ago, and later said would be afraid to mention this to a professional in case of any repercussions which would follow them in their career (as they feel they have a handle on it, but how much of a handle can you really have on a damaging addiction). They also engage in low level self-injurious behaviour. I don't know how they were discharged so soon. They would be one of the people still majorly on my radar to watch out for.

I know six men and four women (I was very close with one) in the area I live who have committed suicide since 2018.

On this basis, I feel that the service provided by Pieta House is not for for purpose and only acts as lip service which is ineffective in this worsening mental health crisis we're in.

Professor Moriarty

Bannasidhe wrote: »

And a banker is qualified to run a charity how exactly?
What qualifications in the provision of mental health services are gained while re-organising a bailed out bank?

Simplistic nonsense me hole. There is a cadre of 'CEO's' who move from highly paid job to highly paid job - Paul Reid is another example - with feck all actual experience in the field in which we are told they are 'highly qualified'.

The point of Pieta House is meant to be the provision of qualified help to vulnerable people - to do this they require qualified psychotherapists but are reluctant to pay them a decent wage.

If you think you will get someone capable of managing an organisation of 200 people with 13 centres for less than 120k pa, then you don't know what you are talking about. I'll leave you at it.

Patrick2010

No one has said what they actually do. I asked the question because we all saw where the Bothar money went.

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How much should the CEO of a large charity make in your opinion?

Zero. The clue is in the type of organisation it is - a charity. Plenty of much larger voluntary organisations than Pieta where the management are volunteers, and the staff are volunteers, all qualified in what they do.

€100k salaries attract figureheads, it says nothing about their ability to manage a charity organisation.

Smee_Again

hawley wrote: »

Because people who worked in Irish banking are excellent at managing their budgets.

Some are, some obviously weren’t. BOI were one of the better Irish banks at it.

Besides you can’t blame everyone who worked in banking with collapse. I doubt Elaine Austin in her HR role during the lead up to the crash had much influence in the bank needing a government (don’t call it a) bailout.

Bannasidhe

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Christ. They are not qualified or experienced to be CEO of Pieta House. Nor would they want the responsibility. This is simplistic nonsense.

And a banker is qualified to run a charity how exactly?
What qualifications in the provision of mental health services are gained while re-organising a bailed out bank?

Simplistic nonsense me hole. There is a cadre of 'CEO's' who move from highly paid job to highly paid job - Paul Reid is another example - with feck all actual experience in the field in which we are told they are 'highly qualified'.

The point of Pieta House is meant to be the provision of qualified help to vulnerable people - to do this they require qualified psychotherapists but are reluctant to pay them a decent wage.

Cal4567

lawred2 wrote: »

“Pieta also availed of the wage subsidy scheme"

Nice

Not to do with Pieta specifically, but I reminded of the fair few charities that availed of the now forgotten Job bridge scheme back a decade ago. No media outrage but I remember real jobs being withdrawn and being re-advertised, with some minor changes as Job bridge. OK, a lot of these was done by private companies but a fair few charities did the same.

As it is politely referred to - the optics don't look good. The inference is that organisations who don't need to, availing of these advantages.

zerosugarbuzz

Deleted User wrote: »

120k for a CEO is very low, especially considering the profile of the charity.

I presume the permanently outraged will be up soon, but you’d make that easy in Dublin working in law/accounting/medicine/specialised IT etc.

Nothing to see here. That Mark Ward lad must have little to do.

Depends on many factors. Previous experience and success of the CEO. current achievements and contributions to the role. Also take into account the generous mileage, car allowance, health care, pension plan and the 120 salary is very much exceeded.

hawley

Smee_Again wrote: »

Nonsense you need qualified people in all positions. A therapist won’t have the skills to oversee a budget of that size. Just like the CEO won’t have the skills to deal with a suicidal patient.

The issue you’ve highlighted isn’t the CEO’s salary, it’s the low salary for the therapists and counsellors (I’m not sure what their correct title is so apologies if it’s something else).

Because people who worked in Irish banking are excellent at managing their budgets.

Smee_Again

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It's not supposed to be a 'business'.
It's a charity reliant on money from the State and donations.

Elaine Austin the CEO came from Bank of Ireland - an organisation well known for it's charitable work and involvement in mental health issues.

The qualified people - i.e. those providing the services are on as little as €25k.

Pieta House in another Rehab. Rich pickings for those at the top whose main skill is signing application forms for grant aid, and exploitation of those doing the actual work.

Nonsense you need qualified people in all positions. A therapist won’t have the skills to oversee a budget of that size. Just like the CEO won’t have the skills to deal with a suicidal patient.

The issue you’ve highlighted isn’t the CEO’s salary, it’s the low salary for the therapists and counsellors (I’m not sure what their correct title is so apologies if it’s something else).

Professor Moriarty

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It's not supposed to be a 'business'.
It's a charity reliant on money from the State and donations.

Elaine Austin the CEO came from Bank of Ireland - an organisation well known for it's charitable work and involvement in mental health issues.

The qualified people - i.e. those providing the services are on as little as €25k.

Pieta House in another Rehab. Rich pickings for those at the top whose main skill is signing application forms for grant aid, and exploitation of those doing the actual work.

Christ. They are not qualified or experienced to be CEO of Pieta House. Nor would they want the responsibility. This is simplistic nonsense.

[Deleted User]

Well if they can prevent a few people from taking their own lives and all the devastation that follows for those families then I don't care where the money goes..

HBC08

biko wrote: »

https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/59493

Sinn Fein are insulting peoples intelligence with this sort of nonsense.

Meanwhile back in the real world that's a modest salary for a CEO of such an organisation.

If they want to get outraged about people's salaries look at Tubridy or John Delaney before him.

Meeoow

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Saw 6 million euro was raised yesterday for Pieta to prevent suicide. I looked but can’t see how this money is spent or how much their executives earn, does anyone know?

You can Google pieta house accounts. All their years accounts are downloadable. Same with most charities. It's shocking how little goes where it should go. That is why I don't give to them.

duffman13

[Deleted User] wrote: »

120k for a CEO is very low, especially considering the profile of the charity.

I presume the permanently outraged will be up soon, but you’d make that easy in Dublin working in law/accounting/medicine/specialised IT etc.

Nothing to see here. That Mark Ward lad must have little to do.

He's actually a nice fella and done some good work locally in his area as a Councillor. I met him doing the doors for the last election and he had a very poor knowledge of anything and his messaging was populist nonsense. O'Broin is a different level and very articulate. Sinn Fein need better quality candidates for the Dail though, Ward is a reasonably good Councillor but way out of his depth on the national scene. Given himself and Gino Kenny are two of the local reps, he's still probably not the worst person from Dublin Mid West in the Dail

Pieta is local so I can see why he brings it up even if its a bit naive

Edit: Maybe not so naive, surprised at the redundancy situation, would hope its top earners and not front line staff but wouldn't be shocked if it's a huge reduction in services

PCeeeee

Deleted User wrote: »

How much should the CEO of a large charity make in your opinion?

I actually have no idea. I would have to understand their role and what their abilities bring in terms of added value.

Bannasidhe

Smee_Again wrote: »

How many people in Ireland manage a business with annual income of over €13m.

I don’t have much time for charities but if we’re going to use them to provide much needed services then we need properly qualified people to run them.

It's not supposed to be a 'business'.
It's a charity reliant on money from the State and donations.

Elaine Austin the CEO came from Bank of Ireland - an organisation well known for it's charitable work and involvement in mental health issues.

The qualified people - i.e. those providing the services are on as little as €25k.

Pieta House in another Rehab. Rich pickings for those at the top whose main skill is signing application forms for grant aid, and exploitation of those doing the actual work.

PCeeeee

Smee_Again wrote: »

Ah, fair enough. It’s not commonplace but it’s not outlandish for the work either.

Exactly, I think it's fair to discuss it.

[Deleted User]

PCeeeee wrote: »

No one suggested that?

How much should the CEO of a large charity make in your opinion?

Smee_Again

PCeeeee wrote: »

I don't disagree, I'm refuting the idea that a 120k salary is common place. If the discussion proceeds from there then it is clear the CEO and the other 4 high earners wages are in fact appropriate.

Ah, fair enough. It’s not commonplace but it’s not outlandish for the work either.

[Deleted User]

SSeanSS wrote: »

The basic salary of a backbench TD is €96,189. I’d quieten down if i were him.

His party also own at least 50 properties down here. They could donate one or two of them to Pieta if they were feeling generous.

Running a charity involved in suicide prevention for 120k is being on the gravy train! Jesus, some people don’t live in the real world at all. For them it’s a world where everything is terrible, a scam, and people are out to rip society off.

Joke

PCeeeee

Deleted User wrote: »

See the post about. If you run a charity that has multiple centres, fund raising activities, staff etc then you aren’t going to get Mike who drives a forklift down the hardware store to run it.

120k sounds very cheap tbh.

No one suggested that?

PCeeeee

Smee_Again wrote: »

How many people in Ireland manage a business with annual income of over €13m.

I don’t have much time for charities but if we’re going to use them to provide much needed services then we need properly qualified people to run them.

I don't disagree, I'm refuting the idea that a 120k salary is common place. If the discussion proceeds from there then it is clear the CEO and the other 4 high earners wages are in fact appropriate.

[Deleted User]

PCeeeee wrote: »

What percentage of people in Ireland make that kind of money or above it was the question I asked myself when you posted.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-eaads/earningsanalysisusingadministrativedatasources2018/distribution/

That kind of wage puts you in the 97th percentile for salaries (2018 data admittedly), it would seem that as easy as you think it is to make that only 3 people in an hundred in Ireland manage to do it.

See the post about. If you run a charity that has multiple centres, fund raising activities, staff etc then you aren’t going to get Mike who drives a forklift down the hardware store to run it.

120k sounds very cheap tbh.

Beechwoodspark

lawred2 wrote: »

Another gravy train

A friend said similar to me yesterday evening

Beechwoodspark

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Saw 6 million euro was raised yesterday for Pieta to prevent suicide. I looked but can’t see how this money is spent or how much their executives earn, does anyone know?

I just HOPE that pieta is being run responsibly

They have a huge presence now in society

Smee_Again

PCeeeee wrote: »

What percentage of people in Ireland make that kind of money or above it was the question I asked myself when you posted.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-eaads/earningsanalysisusingadministrativedatasources2018/distribution/

That kind of wage puts you in the 97th percentile for salaries (2018 data admittedly), it would seem that as easy as you think it is to make that only 3 people in an hundred in Ireland manage to do it.

How many people in Ireland manage a business with annual income of over €13m.

I don’t have much time for charities but if we’re going to use them to provide much needed services then we need properly qualified people to run them.