Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

ted1 wrote: »

as was demonstrated when they annexed the Haddington and down) from the rest of Dun Laoighre by building the lexicon..

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2923198,-6.1306316,3a,60y,351.13h,85.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIgnJ2cwMT26zC2Cli02S5w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

It rather looks to me that they retained their view!

ted1

iffandonlyif wrote: »

It rather looks to me that they retained their view!

They used to have a view up to city hall.

ted1 wrote: »

They used to have a view up to city hall.

There seems to me a quite obvious difference between what's going to happen to the views of these apartments and what happened to the views of the residences/offices in Haddington Terrace. I didn't think it was ever in doubt that there is no right to a peripheral, secondary view.

Heroditas

Larbre34 wrote: »

You're not wrong. But, we must be realistic about the step change in working patterns that will remain after this pandemic.

Someone close to me is with AIB, in a back of house function and they have been told that they will be facilitated in working from home on a 60/40 basis, once hot desking is possible again. I have every reason to imagine this will be replicated in a huge number of larger organisations where the critical mass exists to enable it.

I've said on here many times before that I consider one of the greatest disasters to befall Dun Laoghaire was the demise of 4 schools and 1 college within a few minutes walk of the town centre, over the period of about 15 years. The loss of footfall and casual trade was consequently massive. But the good news is, the arrival of an Educate Together school to the old Fire Station site and strong moves being made to build a Graduate School of the IADT in the town centre will be game changers to creating a live/work/leisure community for locals and thats without even mentioning the massive HSE primary care clinic and offices due to go into the old Shopping Centre.

Its a simplistic mantra, but one I've always subscribed to as a planner and designer - build it and they will come.

That's a really interesting point about Dun Laoghaire and I say that as someone who grew up in the area in the 80s.
I drove through there on Sunday and what really jumped out was all the bakeries, coffee shops, cafes etc on George's Street.
Fantastic potential and if the educational developments occur, then that will bring the increased footfall to allow these places to thrive
My own personal opinion is that Dun Laoghaire doesn't have a huge amount of fewer shops now than it did back in the "heyday" of the 80s. Sure there were a lot more people milling around but they didn't have a lot of money to buy anything and there wasn't a lot to actually buy!
The main problem nowadays in my opinion is an ageing population... again, exacerbated by the lack of educational facilities which really is a vicious circle.

So you're saying we should move the elderly on somewhere else?

Seaswimmer

Heroditas wrote: »

That's a really interesting point about Dun Laoghaire and I say that as someone who grew up in the area in the 80s.
I drove through there on Sunday and what really jumped out was all the bakeries, coffee shops, cafes etc on George's Street.
Fantastic potential and if the educational developments occur, then that will bring the increased footfall to allow these places to thrive
My own personal opinion is that Dun Laoghaire doesn't have a huge amount of fewer shops now than it did back in the "heyday" of the 80s. Sure there were a lot more people milling around but they didn't have a lot of money to buy anything and there wasn't a lot to actually buy!
The main problem nowadays in my opinion is an ageing population... again, exacerbated by the lack of educational facilities which really is a vicious circle.

Dun Laoghaire should try and turn this to its advantage. After all the ageing population usually have a reasonable disposable income, they may prefer not to have to travel too far for services and DL is reasonably accessible by public transport.
Services like chiropodists, home help, hairdressing, speciality ladies fashions, meal delivery, taxis, restaurants, theatre/cinema, bingo, active retirement, ect ect would all do well by catering to this demographic. A lot of these services are in the town already but maybe a bit of marketing would help.
My own uncle is in his early 80's and has a disabled pass but can drive. One of his main considerations going anywhere is how much disabled parking there is and where there is public seating so he can rest. Also public toilets. All a big consideration for this age group. Simple things that the town could implement and market to differentiate itself.

fixXxer wrote: »

So you're saying we should move the elderly on somewhere else?

I can't for the life of me see how you got that from what he said. Its a churlish interpretation if you did.

Larbre34 wrote: »

I can't for the life of me see how you got that from what he said. Its a churlish interpretation if you did.

Tongue in cheek man, relax.

fixXxer wrote: »

Tongue in cheek man, relax.

Considering I can see neither your tongue nor your cheek as you type, or maybe you're just not funny at all, maybe you should relax.

Man.

Mav11

Cycled through Blackrock park and Stillorgan today, the Council seems to be doing a lot of planting, trees, shrubs etc. Credit where credit is due, it looks very well and should look even better when mature. That is if the scrotes don't get at it first!!

Larbre34 wrote: »

Considering I can see neither your tongue nor your cheek as you type, or maybe you're just not funny at all, maybe you should relax.

Man.

Report it or don't bother me with your opinions on my humour.

Edited because sure why argue over the internet with strangers. Hope you're having good day. Time for another coffee here.

Glencarraig

Mav11 wrote: »

Cycled through Blackrock park and Stillorgan today, the Council seems to be doing a lot of planting, trees, shrubs etc. Credit where credit is due, it looks very well and should look even better when mature. That is if the scrotes don't get at it first!!

Yep, just waiting for that big brave scrote who takes on a defenceless sapling, his enemies must be shi**ing themselves.

Glencarraig wrote: »

Yep, just waiting for that big brave scrote who takes on a defenceless sapling, his enemies must be shi**ing themselves.

He was last seen down in Dunedin where fifteen trees were planted in the green. Five were pulled up and they tried to burn them with a pile of household rubbish.

frash

fixXxer wrote: »

He was last seen down in Dunedin where fifteen trees were planted in the green. Five were pulled up and they tried to burn them with a pile of household rubbish.

I ran through there the day after - place was in a right state

I ran through another morning at about 7:30am & the lads (and "lady") were still out boozing & playing loud music from the night before.
Cans & bottles all around them which I doubt they were going to recycle :rolleyes:

frash wrote: »

I ran through there the day after - place was in a right state

I ran through another morning at about 7:30am & the lads (and "lady") were still out boozing & playing loud music from the night before.
Cans & bottles all around them which I doubt they were going to recycle :rolleyes:

There's a council fella I see most mornings when I cycle through cleaning up, god help him. The guards are no use either. I've seen a squad car pull up on the road beside the green, spend a minute looking at whats going on , then just driving off. The amount of stuff being set fire to around there genuinely worries me. I had a look around the old Eir depot before they knocked it down and someone had made a lot of attempts inside to burn the place. The path was resurfaced because the old tarmac was ruined with wheelie bins being burned on it and the new one is going that way now as well.

iniall

Does anyone know if there's a date for the Farmer's Market in Dun Laoghaire to resume? Never understood why the outdoor DL market had to stop while the indoor Blackrock market continued through level 5. I know DL had much bigger numbers, but indoors is a much bigger risk...

frash

fixXxer wrote: »

There's a council fella I see most mornings when I cycle through cleaning up, god help him. The guards are no use either. I've seen a squad car pull up on the road beside the green, spend a minute looking at whats going on , then just driving off. The amount of stuff being set fire to around there genuinely worries me. I had a look around the old Eir depot before they knocked it down and someone had made a lot of attempts inside to burn the place. The path was resurfaced because the old tarmac was ruined with wheelie bins being burned on it and the new one is going that way now as well.

What was the Eir depot & where was it?

This was it in 2009

This is it now.

It used to be a Telecom Eireann/Eircom depot where they parked the vans and trucks. Was phased out when they went public and was basically left to rot once Eir (as they are now) stopped using it. As far as I remember it was rented and the owner did nothing with it for years. The buildings inside went derelict, bushes growing inside and the like. It was an interesting little urban exploration.

iniall wrote: »

Does anyone know if there's a date for the Farmer's Market in Dun Laoghaire to resume? Never understood why the outdoor DL market had to stop while the indoor Blackrock market continued through level 5. I know DL had much bigger numbers, but indoors is a much bigger risk...

One is run by the Council and they have to be seen to take a belt and braces approach to the restrictions.

I'm very very surprised to hear that Blackrock market continued throughout. Are you certain?

iniall

Larbre34 wrote: »

One is run by the Council and they have to be seen to take a belt and braces approach to the restrictions.

I'm very very surprised to hear that Blackrock market continued throughout. Are you certain?

I was in it a few times. Everyone masked, but a fair few people queueing, standing around eating and drinking. I just wanted to order, collect and get out!

frash

iniall wrote: »

I was in it a few times. Everyone masked, but a fair few people queueing, standing around eating and drinking. I just wanted to order, collect and get out!

I've been in it too but pretty sure it was just the food stalls doing take-away that were open.

This was certainly the case in "Lockdown I"

iniall

frash wrote: »

I've been in it too but pretty sure it was just the food stalls doing take-away that were open.

This was certainly the case in "Lockdown I"

Yeah it was all takeaway, but a lot of people took their food away a few metres and sat on a bench or a step and ate.

It just seems crazy that an indoor market stayed open while an outdoor one had to close.

JayRoc

Larbre34 wrote: »

One is run by the Council and they have to be seen to take a belt and braces approach to the restrictions.

I'm very very surprised to hear that Blackrock market continued throughout. Are you certain?

Blackrock Market has continued to have some food stalls open on a click-and-collect basis throughout the pandemic. Non-food stalls have been closed for the lockdown.

It would be considered an "outdoor" market I guess as well, even though there are rain covers over some of it.

It would be a very different thing to a council run food market, it's a permanent business featuring a number of food shops and restaurants/cafes (all of whom have followed the rules by not allowing customers to sit and eat).

Edit: I should say, there is an indoor element to Blackrock Market which is the Main House, but it currently only houses the barbers and has been closed for the lockdown.

JayRoc

Someone asked about the Peoples Park market as well, my family has a stall there and as far as I know we have not been contacted about a re-opening yet.

odyssey06

Outdoors markets have returned in some locations, but I think with more spacing, this may be difficult in Peoples Park e.g. returned to
St.Anne’s on Saturday the 24th of April, Herbert Park on the 25th of April and Merrion Square on the 29th of April.

It is a great source of resentment on my part that the government/councils didn’t encourage and facilitate safe outdoor gatherings during this ‘lockdown’. Dun Laoghaire market could easily have been held down the road in Hudson Park.

iffandonlyif wrote: »

It is a great source of resentment on my part that the government/councils didn’t encourage and facilitate safe outdoor gatherings during this ‘lockdown’. Dun Laoghaire market could easily have been held down the road in Hudson Park.

It could have been held on Newtownsmith either and in fact it was held on Queens Road when restrictions were lighter.

But the problem was, no one could guarantee "safe" outdoor gatherings. Due to the lack of any other leisure activities and attractions being open at the same time, the Queens Road version of the market became massively crowded and could not carry on.

Perhaps rather than being resentful (really?) you could consider all the consequences of what you suggest.