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Neil3030

Squidgy Black wrote: »

There'll be plenty of Sheiks/Oil barrons lining up to take over a club like United unfortunately.

The UAE/Qatar/Saudis etc have been absolutely flinging quid around lately for sportwashing.

And this goes back to a point I made previously.

Soccer is absolutely filthy. Like, I genuinely can't think of a more corrupt system. (Germans possibly aside). So the fury at this proposed league, and how it would disrupt some noble, fair, honest, status-quo, it's just fantasy.

Squidgy Black

Neil3030 wrote: »

And this goes back to a point I made previously.

Soccer is absolutely filthy. Like, I genuinely can't think of a more corrupt system. (Germans possibly aside). So the fury at this proposed league, and how it would disrupt some noble, fair, honest, status-quo, it's just fantasy.

Would argue Formula 1 is as bad, courtesy of Bernie Ecclestone but that's a different argument for another day.

But yeah I read Wolves statement criticising the league and it kept mentioning how Fosun bought the club because of the history and the respect they have for the current system and competition etc.

This is a Chinese investment company that had their previous CEO arrested and detained over corruption charges, and their co-founder was involved in creating a network of buying and selling young players just for profitd alongside Jorge Mendes

hold my beer

Neil3030 wrote: »

And this goes back to a point I made previously.

Soccer is absolutely filthy. Like, I genuinely can't think of a more corrupt system. (Germans possibly aside). So the fury at this proposed league, and how it would disrupt some noble, fair, honest, status-quo, it's just fantasy.

That's not what the fury was about though, as I said before. It was the idea that these clubs wanted a closed shop based on no merit whatsoever. People were never going to allow that.

Larbre34

prawnsambo wrote: »

I doubt they left themselves open to this given the speculative nature of the project. I also doubt much money has been spent at this early stage. Just a lot of red faces and you can't sue for that.

You most certainly can.

Causing reputational damage through incompetence that affects investor confidence and the value of the entity. See you in Court.

Neil3030

hold my beer wrote: »

That's not what the fury was about though, as I said before. It was the idea that these clubs wanted a closed shop based on no merit whatsoever. People were never going to allow that.

Well the good news is that their wonderfully egalitarian, transparent, ethically-financed meritocracy shall continue unabated for the foreseeable future!

Neil3030

Chauvin verdict incoming...

Larbre34

The aftershocks of this will be considerable.

Out of sheer populism, Boris could well try and legislate for the kind of system they have in Germany, that a majority of Club shares must remain with fans. And as Britain is out of the EU, the Clubs would have no recourse to anti-competitive laws in Brussels.

Will be very interesting to see what happens the shares of these clubs on the markets tomorrow morning

sydthebeat

Neil3030 wrote: »

Chauvin verdict incoming...

Whatever the verdict, its 100% guaranteed to be appealed

Podge_irl

sydthebeat wrote: »

Whatever the verdict, its 100% guaranteed to be appealed

It is, but criminal appeals are not massively successful. It's not a new trial.

hold my beer

Neil3030 wrote: »

Well the good news is that their wonderfully egalitarian, transparent, ethically-financed meritocracy shall continue unabated for the foreseeable future!

Well that's a completely different issue.

Neil3030

Podge_irl wrote: »

It is, but criminal appeals are not massively successful. It's not a new trial.

May appeal on the grounds of not sequestering the jury, given Rep. Waters's comments over the weekend.

Podge_irl

Neil3030 wrote: »

May appeal on the grounds of not sequestering the jury, given Rep. Waters's comments over the weekend.

Sure, but that's probably still a reach (and that was stupid). Even then its a retrial and the prosecution case was good.

But its important to note that an appeal is never about re-trying the case. The facts decided in the original trial are viewed as facts. Its about making sure there was no point in law error in the judgement and case. Its a high bar.

Teferi

Guilty on all counts. I didn't think the yanks would do it.

hold my beer

For a man just convicted on all counts, he doesn't look too perturbed.

Squidgy Black

Teferi wrote: »

Guilty on all counts. I didn't think the yanks would do it.

Just hope and pray the jurors are allowed to remain anonymous and some absolute arsehole doesn't dox them.

Because there'll be a lot of angry rednecks and racists after tonight.

Eod100

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Just hope and pray the jurors are allowed to remain anonymous and some absolute arsehole doesn't dox them.

Because there'll be a lot of angry rednecks and racists after tonight.

At least there is a small consolation that Trump isn't president

Larbre34

hold my beer wrote: »

For a man just convicted on all counts, he doesn't look too perturbed.

Ask any copper. The one that actually did do something, never looks perturbed, always sleeps while in custody. They know the game is up.

awec

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Agnelli resigned from Juve. Peréz under fire at Madrid too.

Talk of the Glaziers planning on selling the club also

Madrid is a little different, their president is elected and to stand for election you need to pump massive amounts of money in. You also have to have been a member for like 20 years.

swiwi_

That was a highly entertaining 48 hours of football drama. Rugby take note. Especially wealthy owners of French clubs etc.

Not sure who showed more misjudgement TBH. Me thinking Neil3030 was a Leinster fan or the big 12. Probably me.

Dubinusa

It's disturbing that these clubs thought they were aove the game. Imagine if Chelsea where to be relegated and still guaranteed fixtures against the likes of Inter Milan! Ridiculous.

pickarooney

How do you both murder and manslaughter someone? Is it not one or the other?

swiwi_

pickarooney wrote: »

How do you both murder and manslaughter someone? Is it not one or the other?

In this day and age should it not be personslaughter...?

irishbucsfan

pickarooney wrote: »

How do you both murder and manslaughter someone? Is it not one or the other?

I think it’ll ultimately be considered together when it comes to sentencing. Same with the 3rd degree murder charge.

[Deleted User]

pickarooney wrote: »

How do you both murder and manslaughter someone? Is it not one or the other?

saw the same question on reddit and this was posted as the answer

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mv0i36/chauvin_guilty_on_all_charges_what_are_your/gva0afc/

awec

pickarooney wrote: »

How do you both murder and manslaughter someone? Is it not one or the other?

The jury were told to consider each charge separately.

prawnsambo

Larbre34 wrote: »

You most certainly can.

Causing reputational damage through incompetence that affects investor confidence and the value of the entity. See you in Court.

A red face is usually self-inflicted. Caused by embarrassment. For doing something stupid.

Squidgy Black

awec wrote: »

Madrid is a little different, their president is elected and to stand for election you need to pump massive amounts of money in. You also have to have been a member for like 20 years.

Yeah there's a lot of uproar over themselves and Barca due to the timing of things, Peréz was only re-elected like a week ago, and Barca's board election was last month

jacothelad

pickarooney wrote: »

How do you both murder and manslaughter someone? Is it not one or the other?

In USA they can use multiple charges for one event in order to permit nuanced judgements...or catch-all judgements as it could be interpreted. It allows for different verdicts that might more likely lead to an appropriate verdict. e.g. Chauvin clearly caused the death of the poor victim but the question asked here would have been one charge only. He clearly also didn't set out that day to murder Floyd. If he had just been charged with murder - as here - he may well have been declared not guilty according to law. In the UK and Ireland there is not really a notion of justice in our courts. There is only the law and what that leads too. The US system is also based on 'English' common law but - as in Ireland - it has developed and evolved.

hold my beer

jacothelad wrote: »

In the UK and Ireland there is not really a notion of justice in our courts

What you mean by this jaco?

The Inbetween is mine

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