anewme wrote: » No one is telling them what they can post. They are asking for clarity on what the guidelines are. This is not a debate thread. It’s a feedback thread. Telling people not to read threads that are racist is censorship itself and not feedback.
Leg End Reject wrote: » Comments are made about all the houses posted, and most of them are negative. By your logic, I could argue it would be discrimination not to comment on traveller's houses. Some of the comments on that house were also posted before the RIP notice, mine included. I'm sure most of us are aware that our own houses would receive negative comments if posted because we all have different tastes and opinions on what makes a house a home. You can see on the thread that some will love one house, while others hate it. However, new money, gangland types and travellers all tend to have their own recognisable taste and that is commented on in a lighthearted way. Some may view it as anything but lighthearted, but again that's down to the individual and their mindset.
athlone573 wrote: » You wouldn't get away with saying you despise blacks or Chinese though which is kind of the point people are making.
Buddy Bubs wrote: » I don't actually despise either of those groups, but what if I did? Who has the right to tell me who I am and who I amn't allowed to dislike? Some people don't like Irish and I'm perfectly fine with that.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » There's a term for people who don't like entire races of people, and usually unless you're on stormfront or voat of yore, those views aren't allowed on any internet platform or polite conversation. No one's allowed to tell you want you want to believe, lots of people are allowed to tell you where you can, or should say it.
Buddy Bubs wrote: » That was me. I'll get banned if I point out the reasons. But you can guess.
knucklehead6 wrote: » It’s interesting to see how people’s perspectives differ and can change over time. I remember a thread from a good while back where you were seriously intolerant of travellers, and traveller behaviour.
[Deleted User] wrote: » You and a few others have spent the week bumping two threads in feedback with the consistent message that only the outcome you have already decided to be correct will be acceptable. You have made it abundantly clear that you will decide what is racist/sexist and what is not, you have not acknowledged that it is a matter of context and perspective in many instances. You have declined to answer what makes your decision on such matters the prevailing one on the topic- i should know ive challenged you a few times on it without any relevant response. And if telling people not to read threads they dont like is censorship, lobbying mods to have every post subjected to your own preferences and your preferences alone is most certainly censorship. Its a feedback thread, sure. But free, as far as i know, for all site users who qualify to post in it to give their opinion, and free for the mods to tell you your opinion is noted but won't be taken as instruction.
nullzero wrote: » I find that any intolerance is typically well dealt with on this site. It comes back to reporting posts. Make yourself vocal through the report system. Boards much like life in general features people and opinions we don't all agree with and there does appear to be a concerted effort from a small number of people to create a space where only their views are tolerated which does a disservice to the platform as a whole.. Again, report posts you find offensive. You'll find the reports are listened to.
nullzero wrote: » The difference is that people are saying they despise travellers because of the actions of travellers, not their ethnicity.
knucklehead6 wrote: » They DON’T tolerate it. When it’s reported it’s dealt with. But you have asked for a report on how YOUR reported posts are handled. That’s an even bigger timesink than Reggie Mc ReRegerson, re-regger at large.
anewme wrote: » That is not what I asked for at all. I asked Beasty if there was a way to view your reported posts, ie on your own profile. Its a system question - same as you can see your Inbox and Outbox.
anewme wrote: » That is not what I asked for at all. So stop misrepresenting what I asked. I asked Beasty if there was a way to view a copy of your reported posts, ie on your own profile. Its nothing to do with creating work for anyone - its a systems question - same as you can see your Inbox and Outbox and what is there.
knucklehead6 wrote: » What use is seeing a copy of the posts you report?
Overheal wrote: » No. Reported post function is built into the message board system by itself being a closed access forum only mods see. The first report becomes a new script generated thread. Subsequent reports on the same post become replies to that thread. Having access to converse privately with mods in a similar way are technically possible and used for other functions on site, but the problem is unlike those cases, those threads wouldn’t just be you+mods, it’s you+mods+anyone else who reported it. By the nature of the system it would be counterproductive for users to be able to read each other’s reports in that way. The infeasible alternative is make a new thread for each report of a single post but that would be unmanageable in regard to needing as a mod to easily collate all reports on a single post. To engineer a different solution would be homebrew and time and resource consuming for the development team especially given how custom boards’ snapshot of vBulletin is - with no guarantee the new method would work for technical or community reasons.
Signore Fancy Pants wrote: » I think some people here are too sensitive and overreacting to "isms" due to their own agenda. While I am not overtly racist, I'm sure some of my views, based on my own experiences would be classed as racist from sensitive people who have no comprehension of context. I have had maybe 30-40 known interactions with the travelling community in my life. I can safely say that two interactions have been normal, the rest were negative and that's not my fault. Based on my own experiences, I can say that the travelling community are overall thieves, liars and vandals. For this, I should not be labelled as a racist. Yes, settled people are also thieves, liars and vandals but my own overall experience with settled people does not reflect this. The house thread in AH is also bananas. If a house decor is knowingly consistent with "traveller-chic", where is the racism? It's a legitimate comparison. While it might not reflect ALL travellers, if something looks like someting...then it looks like something. Maybe these people shouting "isms" would be more comfortable with terminology and qualifications such as, "in my experience", or "some xxx". Are there blatant instances of actual "isms" on the site? Damn right there is but it isnt all the same. Some comments are based on experience and context.....not hatred
dulpit wrote: » This lad here. Big problem on boards. Nobody is looking to control what you think, if you're a bigot, off with you. The issue is that you feel its okay on boards to post this rubbish and be fairly confident that you'll see no major impact. And also know full well that if you repeated what you posted but replaced traveller with black person, Asian person, women, lgbt person, etc the banhammer would be swift. Somebody posted the charter of current affairs earlier and said I started this thread to change the charter. I don't want to, the charter on its own is correct. The first point is simple - don't be a dick. The issue is that for some posters and some areas, this is ignored when it comes to travellers. Juet to be clear again, I don't necessarily think this is an issue with mods, but I do question if there should be standardised guidelines for how certain actions are dealt with by mods, regardless of the forum..
nullzero wrote: » Here's the charter from the CA forum ; 2.Do not post any material that you know or should know is hateful, abusive, harassing, false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, vulgar, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or illegal.
Overheal wrote: » 40 experiences and you get to say an entire ethnic group are “overall thieves liars and vandals?” No sorry that’s discrimination. I’ve met more than 40 stupid Irish people and I don’t get to say overall the Irish are a retarded bunch. And if I really did I think you’d be one in line to be upset I had.
Eggs For Dinner wrote: » Reverse your argument. I'm sure you have had many positive interactions with settled people, would you have had as many with travellers? I'd love to hear them, or is your opinion based on an academic viewpoint?
[Deleted User] wrote: » In fairness, there's a fair few posters that are still active on the site that regularly post atrocious and nasty views. They get disciplined but continue to do so. It's as if they continue to get in trouble but somehow avoid an absolute ban. Eg I can think of a poster who called for refugees on boats to be gunned down. They got disciplined and continue to get away with pretty dodgy posts including on travellers. It's pretty clear that there's some level of tolerance for some awful stuff at this point. There just seems to be denial of the fact.
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