PeterPan92 wrote: » At this point the unions are doing their job. They are fighting for what was promised and assured back in February and was a central crux in getting schools open. Whether or not their members vote on industrial action is a separate matter. The unions are fighting for an unfulfilled promise and that is what I'm paying them for. I don't know if I'll vote for or against yet, but I'm glad they are doing something considering I pay them every 2 weeks. For everyone going on about the gardaí, bus drivers, retail workers, etc., these were also all promised priority vaccinations initially. However, the INTO, ASTI and TUI are hardly going to fight for Mary working in Tesco when Mary doesn't pay them. They are going to fight for the teachers who do pay them (and pay them a pretty penny, I might add!). The unions for the gardaí, bus drivers, retail workers etc. need to do better by their members also. The unions are not demanding immediate vaccination either. They are looking for teachers to be moved from group 10 to group 9. Group 9 is for those working in crowded settings. I have 27 kids in my class, and have one of the smaller classes in the school. Some of the classes have 30+ children. Would you say these classrooms are not a crowded setting?
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Meat factories along with bakeries, actually any food productuin factories are the same, they work. In crowded settings and prodiheyhe food you eat to live. What's more essential? Noone is calling for them to be vaccinated before more vulnerable people because its common sense they shouldn't.
PeterPan92 wrote: » Did you read what I said? The unions don't want teachers to be vaccinated before vulnerable people. They want us moved to group 9, for crowded settings. That's it.
jusvi2001 wrote: » No wonder why teachers are loosing public supporthttps://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/independentie-poll-results-revealed-majority-supportvaccine-prioritisation-for-gardai-but-not-teachers-40285891.html
shtpEdthePlum wrote: » I made a conscious decision to leave the teaching profession just as the pandemic started. It was partly because i wanted a change of career, i had done it straight out of college and wanted to try new things. A big opportunity came up so i jumped at the chance. Mostly it was because a huge majority of people in this country (including some among my friends and family) absolutely shat all over the profession. It's hard to do a demanding job if people personally resent you because of it. Anyway good luck to the poor children currently growing up with fewer and fewer capable, experienced educators. This is genuinely how dictators prevail, they turn the public against the education system, defund it as a populist maneuver and the resulting population is left easy to manipulate.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Meat factories along with bakeries, actually any food production factories are the same, they work in crowded settings and produce the food you eat to live. What's more essential? Noone is calling for them to be vaccinated before more vulnerable people because its common sense they shouldn't.
jusvi2001 wrote: » Problem is that teachers are thinking they are at higher risk when there are other sectors in society who are essential and are at more risk of getting Covid. Every time there is a talk for school opening they want to shut it down. Hope there is a way to know how many teachers got Covid from school so far. Age based vaccination is fair and based on science. Teachers are not realizing that they are loosing respect and support slowly.https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/independentie-poll-results-revealed-majority-supportvaccine-prioritisation-for-gardai-but-not-teachers-40285891.html
CruelSummer wrote: » I’m sick to the teeth of the teacher bashing that has gone during this pandemic. Most teachers have worked really hard to support children remotely and while at school in very difficult circumstances. They’ve put themselves on the line to help keep the show on the road with useless facilities that are overcrowded and are lacking in resources. A litany of ever growing social problems walk into the classrooms each day, coupled with many children highly anxious by the Covid situation. They’re expected to ‘sort it out’ - whatever that means. Meanwhile they’re continually bashed and ridiculed online while they’re teaching & cannot respond as they’re juggling everything and shown zero respect by some.
blanch152 wrote: » This is common enough in schools and the wider public sector. One of the benefits of union membership is the cheap income continuance plans whereby if you get seriously ill, they will pay out on top of the sick pay your employer gives you. Many people run in fear of the union as a result. The teacher unions use this to intimidate principals and deputy principals who are members of the union and fear being left unprotected.
killbillvol2 wrote: » I well remember the day the union boss came to the school to threaten me that if I didn't toe the line he'd stop my income continuance plan from Irish Life by putting a horse's head in the bed of someone who worked in Irish Life.
Stewie Griffin wrote: » The ASTI ate my hamster!
SusanC10 wrote: » Got Email from the Primary School with Covid Questionnaire this morning. Just curious - are there any consequences/penalties for not being truthful with the answers ? (Not talking about myself!)
JDD wrote: » As I understand it, there are 10 cohorts? 1-8 are the elderly and vulnerable, Cohort 9 is those who work or live in crowded settings (they'll be done in age order) and Cohort 10 is anyone aged 18-64 who is left over. Am I right? And is the argument that teachers aren't being considered as part of Cohort 9 and have just been lumped in with Cohort 10? How would they possibly say that teachers don't work in crowded settings? I get it with saying that Gardai don't, or Fire fighters or ambulance drivers, but surely it's plain that teachers work in crowded settings, same as factory workers or people who live in hostels or who work/live in care homes?
Hellrazer wrote: » Theres no cohort 10 - 9 is 18-64 and those working in crowded settings but they are running side by side.
JDD wrote: » So how does "in parallel" work?
Hellrazer wrote: » It has me baffled aswell. What I think it means is basically get stuffed all 18-64 year old are being treated the same.
Hellrazer wrote: » Im posting this not as an attempt to antagonise or bait anyone but as a discussion. Last time I tried to give an opinion there was a **** show and Im not trying to do that here. I do sincerely apologise for my posts in that previous thread. The teacher criticism you refer to is in my opinion warranted in some instances. Im not saying all teachers deserve it but there are some downright lazy teachers that I have first hand experience with. I have 3 in secondary school - 1st ,2nd and 6th year. My 2 younger ones are lucky if they get one or two classes a day and thats since December. My LC has gotten very little aswell being a 6th year student - maybe 2 classes a day. One teacher has actually told them that " he wasnt bothering as they should be able to study themselves at their age" - Thats a direct quote and I have that one on video. He then logged off and hasnt been seen since. In saying that the ones that have carried on with classes have in my opinion done an excellent job that has been tarred by supposed the lazy ones. The other issue that makes people supposedly bash teachers is that any time their is criticism that automatically becomes "teacher bashing" when really the teachers should ignore it and just get on with things. Since December we have made our 3 stick with the school timetable - getting up as normal, if they have no classes then they continue with something else etc so in effect we have become the "teachers" and I think that is also grating on people. And then when its reported in the media that teachers want to "skip the queue" so to speak it annoys the public further. The teachers that have continued to try keep things going should be applauded but the ones that have done nothing should be dismissed. Again - please dont take this post as an attempt to stir things up - Im just giving an alternative opinion and some of you may or may not like it.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Is S&S back up and running next week?
