Commission proposal for a common vaccination card/passport for EU citizens
The ultimate goal of a vaccination passport would be to ensure that children who move between countries with different immunisation schedules do not miss out on crucial vaccinations. A similar scheme is already in place for pets and has helped boost vaccination rates, according to the European Commission.
Deleted User wrote: » That's true, but a domestic vaccine passport is to be rolled out in Ireland. People who do not get vaccinated will be banned from certain activities.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Not really. Well maybe its coercion in the way that any quid pro quo is coercion. Working in exchange for money or buying a Twix. It's certainly an incentive. It's ultimately a choice. A choice between being a martyr or just wanting to get back to normal life
Living Off The Splash wrote: » Leo was saying that those "fully vaccinated" can avail of one of these passports. That would suggest that those people who have received their first jab of the Astrazeneca vaccine will not qualify.. They will have to wait the 4 months until they get their second jab before being able to apply for one.
francogarbanzo wrote: » The state locking basic access to goods and services behind a digital certificate as means of incentivising people to get a specific medical procedure isn't coercion and is similar to buying a chocolate bar?
arccosh wrote: » get of your horse... basic goods and services won't be locked behind a digital cert, stop trying to over exaggerate..
arccosh wrote: » To let Bill Gates know when you had your last **** obviously
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What "basic" or essentials services will require a vaccine passport?
francogarbanzo wrote: » You gotta stop that man. Keep up. This was considered a conspiracy theory last year. This year it's actually happening. Update your firmware - the new belief is that "vaccine passports are going to happen and it's a good thing!"
francogarbanzo wrote: » I didn't say essential services. I did say "basic" services. And I don't know, but here's what's being said in the Irish Times:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/vaccine-certificate-q-a-what-is-the-status-of-government-plans-1.4530324 "Minister of Enterprise, Trade and Employment Leo Varadkar suggested last week that vaccine certification, combined with rapid antigen testing, “could open the way to resuming hospitality, the arts and live events safely” while saying “it may be months away”. He raised the prospect of a “digital green certificate” or “vaccine pass” again in a Facebook video at the weekend saying it is being developed as a way to provide “more freedoms for those who have been vaccinated”. In the video he also noted that the Government is “keeping a close eye” on Israel which has almost fully reopened although it has “different rules for people who are vaccinated and those who aren’t.” "More than half of Israel’s population has been vaccinated. It operates a “Green Pass” system for people to access restaurants, cinemas and gyms as well as sports and cultural events. A Green Pass lasts for six months and can be issued to someone who is fully vaccinated for Covid-19 or who has recovered from having the virus." Does it sound to you that people without the vaccine passport will have access to the same goods and services as people with it? Doesn't sound like it to me. Again, it seems like a measure to coerce as many people as possible into getting the vaccine.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » So, since there's nothing about "basic" goods and services in the evidence you're using, can i assume you made up the point about basic goods and services?
AdamD wrote: » By the time the vast majority of concert goers have been received 2 doses of a vaccine, Ireland will have reached herd immunity, so what exactly would this passport be achieving at that point?
francogarbanzo wrote: » Hospitality, restaurants, cinemas, live everts, gyms as well as sports and cultural events are all basic services.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » They're basics? And here was me thinking they were discretionary and basics would be thins like food and medical services. Holidays are surely basics too? And maybe having a nice car is a basic (not a crappy car, that would only be an essential, but a decent 5 seater saloon). What would not be a "basic" in your view? But the reality is that we're all doing without the "basics" at the moment and the vaccine is the way to get back to normal. Some people want to play the martyr and act like they're being persecuted because they choose not to get vaccinated and choose not to go to those cultural events, then that will be their choice.
josip wrote: » There's a risk that because of Facebook, etc we might never get the vast majority of people vaccinated. So we need some policy/incentive to counter that negative influence.
AdamD wrote: » It costs 100 euro to get a test, nobody's getting a test to go to the cinema.
antgal23 wrote: » I think it's more nuanced than that. If I want to go to the cinema on Friday surely a negative test result on Friday would be enough.
antgal23 wrote: » Pretty sure the walk in test centers are free
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » It might. But it's also an incentive to encourage people to get the vaccine. It's not a normal situation, it's about getting over a global pandemic.
francogarbanzo wrote: » Yes, you got it right. Those are things that, up until one year ago, would have been basics. The fact that you don't think that general access to goods and services isn't "basic" makes me think you've been completely demoralised by these restrictions. Holidays are basics. Restaurants are basics. Pubs are basics. Etc. You're presenting a false dilemma. Vaccine passport or no freedom for anybody. There are other options. Like vaccinate as many people as possible and start easing restrictions like was always the plan.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Do you not think it might have the opposite effect? That it might be a disincentive for people who don't like the idea of being coerced into taking a vaccine?
is_that_so wrote: » It's hard to incentivize people when a first shot at the time of the implementation of such passports is of no benefit for at least two months. It also assumes that people will be in position to avail of vaccines.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » If they're talking about it now then they wont be implemented for a few months yet. This is most likely a way to handle next winter than really being about this summer.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » There are more options than that. We could vaccinate some people, lockdown each winter when the virus surges, and ease restrictions each summer when it recedes. And the more people who get vaccinated, the less likely we will be to lockdown or even need restrictions. The vaccine passport is about trying to vaccinate as many people as possible by encouraging the "vaccine hesitant" to get the finger out. The "vaccine martyrs" will choose to stay behind, but that's their choice. Some people just like to be different. It probably makes them feel brave or interesting. It's interesting to note that apparently there were people who opposed the blackouts in cities in England during the wars (blackouts were needed to not let the bombers see where the towns and cities were or locate their targets). It's amazing to think that there were people who made such a choice and in the future they'll look back with similar surprise that there were people who refused to get the Covid vaccine.
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