Commission proposal for a common vaccination card/passport for EU citizens
The ultimate goal of a vaccination passport would be to ensure that children who move between countries with different immunisation schedules do not miss out on crucial vaccinations. A similar scheme is already in place for pets and has helped boost vaccination rates, according to the European Commission.
Deleted User wrote: » But it's important to note that it's a vaccine passport, not a covid passport. So that could result in any and all vaccines being mandatory. I guess the social credit system could be something along the lines of 'don't have the latest vaccine, or booster shot? Then no access to public transport for x number of days.' That's just a hypothesis. I really don't know whether that would ever happen.
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moonage wrote: » The only way these appalling passports can be stopped is if a majority of the non-vulnerable refuse the vaccine.
moonage wrote: » It's unlikey to happen, as the propaganda and brainwashing is too strong.
moonage wrote: » I think that having a digital ID that, at least initially, tracks your movements was the actual goal and that vaccine status is just a means to an end.
astrofool wrote: » Incorrect, enough people have already taken a vaccine that their use in international travel is inevitable.
moonage wrote: » Their use in international travel may be inevitable but their use domestically, in gyms, pubs, concerts etc is not inevitable if enough refuse the jab. If a majority don't get vaccinated, then the system becomes unworkable and will collapse.
astrofool wrote: » Are you planning on getting vaccinated drunkmonkey?
Russman wrote: » My own opinion at the moment is that it will likely be a relatively short term measure and I’ve no issue with some people being told “no” you can’t do something. I’d rather see businesses open quicker if they can, as opposed to staying shut til everyone is vaccinated.
drunkmonkey wrote: » I'm on the fence i'd like to see how others get on over next winter with new variants, not in any rush for a foreign holiday so no real incentive there, it doesn't frighten me as I think I've had it at least twice. My other half says she wants the J&J one, kids are young but the jabs they've had like the bcg and mmr are still in covid trials so neither of us are too hot on getting them vaccinated with the emergency use ones.
moonage wrote: » The only way these appalling passports can be stopped is if ga majority of the non-vulnerable refuse the vaccine. It's unlikey to happen, as the propaganda and brainwashing is too strong. I think that having a digital ID that, at least initially, tracks your movements was the actual goal and that vaccine status is just a means to an end.
moonage wrote: » The only way these appalling passports can be stopped is if a majority of the non-vulnerable refuse the vaccine. It's unlikey to happen, as the propaganda and brainwashing is too strong. I think that having a digital ID that, at least initially, tracks your movements was the actual goal and that vaccine status is just a means to an end.
drunkmonkey wrote: » They're floating in the Indo&Times if you've had the vaccine not being deemed a close contact not having to wear a mask allowed to matches, concerts allowed to restaurants It's hoped it would encourage those who may be hesitant of vaccines to sign up to the national vaccination programme. How can they possibly manage those proposals at a practical level or more importantly how can centra, mcdonald's, the gaa etc manage them. Probably handiest stamp the permissions on our forehead.
arccosh wrote: » I've seen this a few times in this thread.. Basic biology is the answer... A virus needs a living host to live in, multiply and spread...that's it's natural programming..... Being vaccinated doesn't mean a complete block on getting the virus, you will still get it, and while it multiplies in your body to a level that triggers an immune response, you can possibly become symptomatic (and asymptomatic) and become contagious..... this level will be different for everybody... Having the vaccine means your body is prepped to attack and kill of the virus quicker than if you were to make the antibodies from nothing..... meaning less time to spread and/or mutate... If you don't suppress a strain, it will eventually mutate into a version of the virus that is better adapted to surviving and transmitting in it's current environment..... can it mutate into a weaker version, yes it can, hopefully it does. can it mutate into a stronger version, yes it can and more likely does .... this to circumnavigate a population sample's immunity factors (genetics, vaccines, general health etc.....) Have a look over some junior cert science, it'll do wonders for your understanding.
AdamD wrote: » By the time the vast majority of concert goers have been received 2 doses of a vaccine, Ireland will have reached herd immunity, so what exactly would this passport be achieving at that point?
SusanC10 wrote: » Any mention of under 16s in this proposal?
astrofool wrote: » Incorrect, as the majority will get vaccinated, levels of take up of the vaccines in Ireland is consistently above 90%
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » All the concert goers will have been vaccinated if they need a passport to get in. Others who want to go to the concert but haven’t been vaccinated, won’t be able to get in. But I have to point out that we don’t know at what point herd immunity will be achieved. We have estimates of 70-90%. And we can’t achieve any of that without including children. So until we can vaccinate children (or carry out mass testing to determine how many children are already immune) then it not likely be achieved within the next year. So vaccine passports would be very useful to encourage the vaccine hesitant to get the finger out and get the vaccines and help the country achieve herd immunity
arccosh wrote: » thankfully correct... Being in the echo chamber of Boards and social media would make you think differently.... but again it will the the majority who do get the vaccine (and want). It will be the majority who are the contributing factor who get us out of this mess... unfortunately, there'll be the people who didn't get it who will feel justified that they didn't get it, and because they and their mates didn't get it, it will feed into their own narrative that all of this was a crock of ****, because "they resisted the government and see it fixed itself" and they will continue their circle jerk about how they were right.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » This post should be stickied to the top each page in the thread. The people who don’t want to know the answer will ignore it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the same question asked again in the next few pages.
SnuggyBear wrote: » We are not talking about travelling we are talking about going to restaurants etc. That alone is heading to a social scoring system.
arccosh wrote: » It'll be definitely asked again... The lack of basic science, math and statistics understanding is this thread, along with people making arguments based on their false understanding of them is tragically comical.... NPHET are getting all the flak, when they actually predicted this would happen last year.... they recommended to the government to make the original lockdowns longer so they didn't get to a point where they had to jump in and out of extended lockdowns... They proposed one longer lockdown to fix elements of the health service and set up a fully functioning track and trace service.... LAST YEARThe government ignored their advice. They have been cherry picking ever since on the back of "balancing the economy" The fundamental problem though is, Ireland's health service is in ****... yes we have lower COVID numbers now, and if there was a decent health service, there could be a tangible exit strategy in place... But because there is still a virus out there, that takes 2 to 3 weeks after infection before hospitalisations occur, at which point is past containment stage, this can easily max out resources in the health service if enough people get sick to a point where hospital care is needed... This latency is always overlooked, as people seem to think infection means they'll be sick tomorrow and in hospital the following day... I know hindsight is great, but I think NPHET is getting a lot more flak when it should be with the decision makers
is_that_so wrote: » Can I say how nice it is to have yet another poster telling other posters how stupid they are. We just don't have enough of those!
francogarbanzo wrote: » So it’s coercion.
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