Commission proposal for a common vaccination card/passport for EU citizens
The ultimate goal of a vaccination passport would be to ensure that children who move between countries with different immunisation schedules do not miss out on crucial vaccinations. A similar scheme is already in place for pets and has helped boost vaccination rates, according to the European Commission.
Deleted User wrote: » Wouldn't it be better to not allow for the possibility of that next step by not going down the vaccine passport road at all?
astrofool wrote: » You're saying that introducing a COVID vaccine passport to handle a pandemic is the same as the Chinese social score. What is the single next step that will be taken on the way to enforcing this? If you can't identify that step, there is no slippery slope, and thus worrying about a non-existent threat.
hmmm wrote: » There is no human right which allows you to spread a disease to another person because of indifference to vaccines. Our public health laws have always been very clear that the State can take actions (including incarceration) against people who put others at risk. These passports are going to definitely be used in international travel this year, including within the EU, and again there is no human right to be allowed go on a foreign holiday - you will be laughed out of it by border control if you try to argue it.
antgal23 wrote: » I could be wrong but did I not read recently that the EU were looking at a travel passport that includes if the person travelling has one of the following 1. Vaccine recipient 2. Covid negative results 3. Antibody test result
Deleted User wrote: » I'm not saying it's the same. I'm saying that there are fears it could potentially morph into such a system, and it could just as potentially not.
astrofool wrote: » Sure, but how, what is the next step? Unless there is a path to get there, then I don't see how you can be worried about COVID Vaccine Passports. A slippery slope argument needs to define the next steps, otherwise it falls apart and can be dismissed.
Deleted User wrote: » That's true, but a domestic vaccine passport is to be rolled out in Ireland. People who do not get vaccinated will be banned from certain activities.
SnuggyBear wrote: » Next step, flu vaccine passport.
astrofool wrote: » Grand, so nothing to worry about then as there's no restrictions anywhere in the world for travelling without a flu vaccine (though I still struggle to see how this leads to a social scoring system).
Russman wrote: » Won’t it be similar though in that a negative test and/or antibody test will also be acceptable ? I agree there are issues and honestly imo it’s not black and white. My own opinion at the moment is that it will likely be a relatively short term measure and I’ve no issue with some people being told “no” you can’t do something. I’d rather see businesses open quicker if they can, as opposed to staying shut til everyone is vaccinated.
[Deleted User] wrote: » That's true, but a domestic vaccine passport is to be rolled out in Ireland. People who do not get vaccinated will be banned from certain activities.
Deleted User wrote: » Varadkar didn't mention anything about a negative test or an antibody test. He said the vaccinated would be allowed additional freedoms (the idea of the State allowing people freedoms is rather troubling, in my opinion). We should have an idea from Denmark about how temporary it will be. The Danish Government says the vaccine passport there will be temporary and will be required until such time as all adults have been offered a vaccine. If all adults are vaccinated and it's not got rid of then we'll know that it isn't to be temporary.
hmmm wrote: » Vaccine numbers are going to ramp up considerably from this month. We've had very little supply the first 3 months of the year, and that was expected. You call it discrimination, I call it being practical. If pubs, restaurants, gyms are safe to open now for vaccinated people then I'm happy for them to do it and try and make up for lost income. I wouldn't like them to be forced to stay closed until everyone is vaccinated, that makes no sense.
bucketybuck wrote: » I have no doubt that you dont care about basic human rights, what is confusing is what you think a vaccinated person gains from this idea. A majority will be vaccinated within months, you will already be safe, why is some boondoggle passport important to you? Is this just about superiority over others? I'll take my vaccine, no doubt, but that doesn't mean we should ignore government overreach just because it wears the cloak of the almighty covid.
Russman wrote: » That’s fair, but whatever about the State allowing freedoms (I get your point but to be honest I think it’s more his turn of phrase than any sinister overreach), what happens when/if a business or venue decides to only offer its services or allow access to vaccinated people ? I think a certain amount of differing levels of access to stuff are inevitable for a while.
SnuggyBear wrote: » My opinion is we will have social score system at some stage. When I don't know but its only a matter of time.
Multipass wrote: » How does it make sense that those most at risk from covid would get to go out to pubs and restaurants, whilst those least at risk are barred. It’s ludicrous, you couldn’t make this **** up!
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Those who decide not to get vaccinated for whatever reason could find themselves in awkward position if they require hospital admission for something unrelated. Hospitals won't want "the unclean " inside their building with potentially vulnerable people (even if those vulnerable people have been vaccinated)
drunkmonkey wrote: » I'm glad someone copped the madeness of it, you wouldn't have found those people out much in normal times. Seriously, what extra freedoms can the they give people domestically that's any way enforceable.
Deleted User wrote: » I could see businesses being boycotted. Not so much in Ireland because of the size of the country, and because the opposition in the country is tiny really. But I could definitely see problems developing in the UK. Not so much in the US, however, because of the federal system of government there. Ron DeSantis signed an executive order the other day banning vaccine passports in Florida. Greg Abbott has banned them in Texas as well. A number of other governors have spoken out against them. Neil Clark put it best when he described the US as a country made of many different countries.
Russman wrote: » It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out alright. Like I say, I’ve no real issue with a short term period of certs being required to do some things until we reach X milestone of vaccine coverage or whatever metric is used. The US is a diverse place alright, although I’d tend towards the view that if DeSantis and Abbott are doing something, the sensible thing to do is the opposite
Deleted User wrote: » I could see businesses being boycotted.
SnuggyBear wrote: » I'd presume they would use the covid app for this?
Russman wrote: » That might be way too sensible
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