Pussyhands wrote: » I'm literally from one of the towns earmarked on news reports today as prime benefactors of this plan....
givyjoe wrote: » And you think we're going to be able to keep that tax regime in place? And yes, zero incentive to hire FUTURE staff based here when they can get better, based remotely elsewhere. They're not going to shut up shop immediately. It's also not the only reason they're here, one of them though.
Villa05 wrote: » It's an excuse to give grants to a much favoured sector in the past The publicans I'd really question making the pub a workplace in Ireland There's so many things that could go wrong
standardg60 wrote: » Zero incentive? What about the only reason they're here in the first place? Tax
givyjoe wrote: » Good luck getting a job in a multinational, based here, in the future so. If they go fully remote there is literally zero incentive for them to hire staff here, of they can be got elsewhere, for the same or less cost and arguably a larger pool of equal talent to choose from. While multinationals INITIALLY may have been all for remote working, that isn't the case at this point as they're starting to see a lot of the negative effects of FT WFH appearing. Very few if any companies will be fully remote and even fewer staff will be. It won't be long before FT WFH start getting serious fomo while their colleagues return at least some of the time to the office. Whether that be social interaction, promotions etc, they absolutely will be missing out at home. These multinationals are also largely staffed by highly mobile immigrants, the absolute last place they're going to be moving to is ballygobackwards. As I said, very few will be 5 days, WFH, 1 day in the office is pointless and hubs just aren't a reasonable prospect for the vast majority of companies. Multinationals make up a small proportion of our total workforce. They will not be the ones making a noticeable difference to the wider housing market. They may make a dent in the premium rental market in Dublin however.
The Spider wrote: » Completely disagree with this, vast majority in IT and similar office setups will have remote working, big multinationals have already come out and said remote is the way forward and thats who the indigenous companies are competing with. The very least will be a blended approach 1-2 days on the office and the rest remote, if a company especially in IT wants staff in full time, prepare to lose the talent, most IT staff already have one foot out the door at the best of times, most leave after two to three years if they havent been promoted. Only option really is if ypu want your staff in the office full time to pay more than twitter and give better benefits, how likely is that? I think a bigger issue is for all the smaller companies down the country who hae decent teams, now losung staff to the multinational as they can't compete on salary or benefits.
newuser99999 wrote: » It’s such a ridiculous statement hahahaha. I’d much rather fly out of Knock, Shannon, Cork or Farranfore than I would Dublin. One of the worst airports I’ve been to.
yagan wrote: » Towns and villages, what with donkeys and priests roaming the streets? Have you ever lived in an Irish urban centre outside of Dublin?
DataDude wrote: » P.S. I don't think I've ever met someone who considers proximity to the airport as a key factor in buying a house. How many holidays do you go on???
Pussyhands wrote: » There was specific mention of towns and villages.
cnocbui wrote: » Well This a remarkable turn around in attitude. I suggested earlier that people who can't afford to buy in Dublin should perhaps look outside of Dublin where housing is cheaper and i had my head bitten off. Now it's a great and sensible idea. :rolleyes:https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116673947&postcount=6470
The Spider wrote: » Ah c’mon there’s not much slurry spreading goes on in Waterford City, or any other city for that matter. As for going to the airport, it’s around an hour and forty five minutes from Waterford and it’s motorway all the way, not exactly a massive hardship. If you’re gong to the airport from Gorey it’s around an hour and twenty minutes again not exactly a huge amount of time (Granted there is some slurry spreading in Gorey)
yagan wrote: » This is hilarious but not untypical of the Dublincentric view that urbanity ends outside the M50. The simple fact is that there's many urban centres around this country that can offer a superior quality of life even with lower than Dublin wages.
Pussyhands wrote: » If you've lived all your life in Dublin then chances of moving I think are nil. Country living is a big change. Even a regular occurance like slurry spreading I think would put city dwellers off. Your friends are not there. I'm from the countryside and I don't plan on moving back. Rural Ireland everyone knows your business, terrible amount of begrudgery. Anyone with ambition is seen to have notions. A simple thing in Dublin like going to the airport requires way more planning and cost. I'm sure some people will up sticks and move, but it's a massive change of lifestyle.
DataDude wrote: » . P.S. I don't think I've ever met someone who considers proximity to the airport as a key factor in buying a house. How many holidays do you go on???
DataDude wrote: » My point in that post was more to counteract the notion that the public sector cohort of workers can easily afford to live in Dublin and therefore why would they leave. I think the average public sector wage is roughly €50k. It's good money, better than the private sector, but it doesn't go a long way in the Dublin housing market.
Pussyhands wrote: » If you've lived all your life in Dublin then chances of moving I think are nil. lifestyle.
PropQueries wrote: » Actually very good points there. But look at it another way. If only a total of 8,000 workers between all the civil service and private companies embraced WFH to the fullest and left Dublin, that’s the equivalent of Google shutting up shop tomorrow. What would be the impact on the Dublin property market if Google shut down tomorrow?
DataDude wrote: » Out of curiosity, why do you think this? I'd have thought that quality of life for a young family would be 10x higher somewhere like Waterford vs Dublin if you don't own your own home and your household income is sub €100k (maybe even higher). I do wonder of all the people adamant that nobody would ever want to leave Dublin, how many are paying 50%+ of their after tax income on rent with zero prospect of ever owning a home. I suspect this might change your perspective.
Browney7 wrote: » In high demand sectors where employees can be fussy and pick and choose employers I think employers will find it difficult to use the stick of "ye're in the office full time lads just because we say so". I feel like employers will have to demonstrate the value of the office and what having an office presence gives them - and there is a lot of value in the office. But a hybrid model of 50:50 or 75:25 office and home will need some thought - there's no point bringing people into an office to go on zoom calls. Collaboration and team days will be the order of the day for sure but are you better off having those as off sites and ditching the office altogether? There's a demand from people I know to get back in the office but how much of this is cabin fever from being at home versus versus lockdown cabin fever because the country is closed. Work from home in an open country will be far different to the WFH we have now. As regards property, I find it difficult to see people making life decisions in such an uncertain climate and decamping en masse - pandemic has likely fast forwarded decisions by a few years but people decamping to belmullet with no connection to the and working in Google full time remote just seems off to me.
cnocbui wrote: » I don't think the pay of civil servants is exagerated. Fortunately we don't have as many proportionate to private sector workers as other places. Norway is bonkers.
DataDude wrote: » Yep! We have TDs on €100k looking for pay increases due to lack of housing options. It really doesn't seem farfetched to me to think those on lower incomes might consider a move to a less expensive area. "A TD on a €100,000 a year cannot afford to buy a modest three-bedroomed home in many parts of Dublin, the Fine Gael parliamentary party was told last week."https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/oh-councillors-will-get-their-50pc-pay-hike-all-right-40167207.html I think the pay of civil servants is greatly exaggerated. The job security and pensions are fantastic, but it's not like 30 somethings entering it today would have their pick of family homes in Dublin. Personally I'd be gone like a shot to any of Galway/Waterford/Wexford if in their shoes and given the choice!
The_Conductor wrote: The suggestion was that as a scheme it was a manner of freeing up housing in Dublin while simultaneously being a good step towards rebooting the economies of many remote towns in Ireland. My point- is that it means no such thing.
