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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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lostinsuperfunk

Our twin city of Rennes has a fabulous central library and cultural centre, Les Champs Libres. It has exhibition spaces, library, reading rooms, a garden, café, even a Planetarium. If we had something like that in Cork it would be brilliant.

leahyl

Wow that's a fabulous buidling! There's so much potential in Grand Parade area for something like that.

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leahyl wrote: »

Wow that's a fabulous buidling! There's so much potential in Grand Parade area for something like that.

Link a planetarium up with Blackrock Castle (MTU) and it would be a fantastic resource.

igCorcaigh

The pedestrian lights on Patrick's Street by the PTSB take forever to go green (for the pedestrian).

Same with the ones by Aldi under the Elysian.

I just feel the need to rant!

Seriously though, it's dangerous because people get tired of waiting and cross the road anyway.

I might contact the City Council directly, they haven't responded to my tweets.

[Deleted User]

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The pedestrian lights on Patrick's Street by the PTSB take forever to go green (for the pedestrian).

Same with the ones by Aldi under the Elysian.

I just feel the need to rant!

Seriously though, it's dangerous because people get tired of waiting and cross the road anyway.

I might contact the City Council directly, they haven't responded to my tweets.

Not just Cork...
https://twitter.com/josephmcginley/status/1373922133030625280?s=20https://twitter.com/josephmcginley/status/1373922133030625280?s=20

Pen Rua

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The pedestrian lights on Patrick's Street by the PTSB take forever to go green (for the pedestrian).

Same with the ones by Aldi under the Elysian.

I just feel the need to rant!

Seriously though, it's dangerous because people get tired of waiting and cross the road anyway.

I might contact the City Council directly, they haven't responded to my tweets.

The ones at the Opera House, crossing over toward Popes Quay are a disaster. We tried to use them yesterday, but all the lights cycled around twice without letting us go. So we just ran for it when there was a gap.

who_me

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The pedestrian lights on Patrick's Street by the PTSB take forever to go green (for the pedestrian).

Same with the ones by Aldi under the Elysian.

I just feel the need to rant!

Seriously though, it's dangerous because people get tired of waiting and cross the road anyway.

I might contact the City Council directly, they haven't responded to my tweets.

For contrast, the lights on McCurtain St. by the Metropole are nearly instant. Max of 5 seconds from pressing the button to green light. Nearly got ran down once because of it though (lights went green, driver blasted through not noticing the change).

igCorcaigh

who_me wrote: »

For contrast, the lights on McCurtain St. by the Metropole are nearly instant. Max of 5 seconds from pressing the button to green light. Nearly got ran down once because of it though (lights went green, driver blasted through not noticing the change).

And there are so many people who don't bother pressing the button. They just stand there waiting before crossing the road anyway. Crazy!

[Deleted User]

igCorcaigh wrote: »

And there are so many people who don't bother pressing the button. They just stand there waiting before crossing the road anyway. Crazy!

People have been conditioned to believing that they do not work, far too many placebo buttons around

Reputable Rog

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The pedestrian lights on Patrick's Street by the PTSB take forever to go green (for the pedestrian).

Same with the ones by Aldi under the Elysian.

I just feel the need to rant!

Seriously though, it's dangerous because people get tired of waiting and cross the road anyway.

I might contact the City Council directly, they haven't responded to my tweets.

The City Council are aware of the issue, unfortunately TII dictate the crossing times on these streets as they are National roads.
TII are only interested in keeping the traffic moving.

opus

My pet hate when it comes to lights is the lack of them on Ship St if you're coming along from Patrick's Quay. At least now traffic is lighter but at busy times you had to wait for ages or else make a dash across the road when there was a little gap.

igCorcaigh

Reputable Rog wrote: »

The City Council are aware of the issue, unfortunately TII dictate the crossing times on these streets as they are National roads.
TII are only interested in keeping the traffic moving.

Well, I did not know that! Thank you.

So the Council are powerless to make changes to the pedestrian lights?
Even given the recent attempts to make Patrick Street more pedestrian friendly?

igCorcaigh

opus wrote: »

My pet hate when it comes to lights is the lack of them on Ship St if you're coming along from Patrick's Quay. At least now traffic is lighter but at busy times you had to wait for ages or else make a dash across the road when there was a little gap.

Is that the bit near Penrose Wharf?
Used to drive me crazy when I worked down there.

Same when I worked in Little Island.
Constant flow of traffic between the industrial estates and the train station.

You would have to walk a few minutes back to the traffic lights and come back again, but who does that?
Nearly got knocked down once. A driver kindly waited for me to cross while one behind one took over it. Scary!

hans aus dtschl

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Same when I worked in Little Island.
Constant flow of traffic between the industrial estates and the train station.

Good thing they narrowed the footpaths, to fit in another traffic lane.
Moar cars!

igCorcaigh

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Good thing they narrowed the footpaths, to fit in another traffic lane.
Moar cars!

And people still won't get the (cheap) train, even when the traffic jams were mental!
People are so wedded to their cars. Unreal.

marno21

Reputable Rog wrote: »

The City Council are aware of the issue, unfortunately TII dictate the crossing times on these streets as they are National roads.
TII are only interested in keeping the traffic moving.

Cork is now the only city in Ireland with national roads criss crossing in the city centre. The only detrunking of note was the N71 from the N40 to Victoria Cross.

Once the North Ring & M20 are done, the N20, N8 and N22 will likely be detrunked. Not sure where that leaves the N27

opus

I remember another traffic light story, reported this to the council in Dec '12 -

The traffic lights on Evergreen Road at Turners Cross only show a green light for traffic heading out of town when the filter arrow for traffic turning right comes on and traffic coming into town gets a red light. This means cars sit there waiting for the right turn arrow even though they want to drive straight on. Surely traffic going out should be green all the time regardless apart from when traffic from Curragh Road has a green light? It's been like this for years as far as I can remember.

Got an acknowledgement but that was it so I followed up in March '14 & again in Oct that year & finally got this reply.

Apologies for not getting back to you ! We are simply stretched to the limit here. There are 5 x ongoing projects effecting traffic within sight of our office alone. Your observations have been noted, but do not have the resources to

Perform an analysis of the junction at present,

Gmail is great for making all these stuff easy to find years later. I don't live in that area anymore so quite possibly it's still exactly the same.

Treehelpplease

The pedestrian crossing by Tobin St on Grand Parade is useless too it takes forever to change and the buttons do nothing. I always just go to the Tuckey St - Oliver Plunkett St one instead

Apogee

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1374410378902302729

ABP decision on Custom House Quay was due yesterday. How long does it take for those decisions to be made public, or are they normally leaked to journalists before being published on ABP website?

[edit] "Retail" - probably not above.

satanta99

Planning has been submitted for a 194 bed hotel and rooftop restaurant on Camden Quay

Permission and retention permission for the development , conservation, refurbishment and change of use of the Former McKenzies/Circuit Courthouse, Camden Quay, Camden Place and Pine Street, Cork. The proposed development consists of the construction of a 194-no. bedroom hotel consisting of 153 no. hotel rooms and 41 no. long stay suites and all ancillary site development works. The proposed development consists of or comprises the carrying out of works to a Protected Structure. Permission is being sought for internal and external modifications, the refurbishment and change of use of the existing building and the construction of a 2-6 storey over ground floor annex to the rear of the Protected Structure. At ground floor level the proposed development contains a café with mezzanine level, hotel and long stay suites reception areas, gym, meeting rooms, kitchens, storage, staff welfare, servicing and plant areas with hotel accommodation at upper floors. The proposed development includes a covered ground floor service area to the north complete with refuse store, bicycle store, switchroom and standby generator areas. The proposal includes a rooftop restaurant with outdoor terrace, to be accessed via a dedicated entrance from Camdem Place. permission is also sought for all associated site works, including water/wastewater services, landscaping and ancillary signage. The proposed development includes customer entrances from Camden Place and Pine Street, with a service entrance to the north from Pine Street. Retention permission is also sought for the demolition of the buildings to the rear of the Protected Structure.

ePlan - Online Planning Details

PreCocious

Apogee wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1374410378902302729

ABP decision on Custom House Quay was due yesterday. How long does it take for those decisions to be made public, or are they normally leaked to journalists before being published on ABP website?

[edit] "Retail" - probably not above.

The parties involved would receive the letter before the site was updated. So it wouldn't be a leak.

TheChizler

opus wrote: »

I remember another traffic light story, reported this to the council in Dec '12 -

Got an acknowledgement but that was it so I followed up in March '14 & again in Oct that year & finally got this reply.

Gmail is great for making all these stuff easy to find years later. I don't live in that area anymore so quite possibly it's still exactly the same.

The main traffic flow would be South Douglas Road to Summerhill South and vice versa so it might make sense to treat St. Patrick's Road the same as a right there?

snotboogie

satanta99 wrote: »

Planning has been submitted for a 194 bed hotel and rooftop restaurant on Camden Quay

Permission and retention permission for the development , conservation, refurbishment and change of use of the Former McKenzies/Circuit Courthouse, Camden Quay, Camden Place and Pine Street, Cork. The proposed development consists of the construction of a 194-no. bedroom hotel consisting of 153 no. hotel rooms and 41 no. long stay suites and all ancillary site development works. The proposed development consists of or comprises the carrying out of works to a Protected Structure. Permission is being sought for internal and external modifications, the refurbishment and change of use of the existing building and the construction of a 2-6 storey over ground floor annex to the rear of the Protected Structure. At ground floor level the proposed development contains a café with mezzanine level, hotel and long stay suites reception areas, gym, meeting rooms, kitchens, storage, staff welfare, servicing and plant areas with hotel accommodation at upper floors. The proposed development includes a covered ground floor service area to the north complete with refuse store, bicycle store, switchroom and standby generator areas. The proposal includes a rooftop restaurant with outdoor terrace, to be accessed via a dedicated entrance from Camdem Place. permission is also sought for all associated site works, including water/wastewater services, landscaping and ancillary signage. The proposed development includes customer entrances from Camden Place and Pine Street, with a service entrance to the north from Pine Street. Retention permission is also sought for the demolition of the buildings to the rear of the Protected Structure.

ePlan - Online Planning Details

Unbelievablely this has an operator onboard already, Moxy of the Marriott group. This seems like it will actually go ahead and with a 4 star Marriott brand to operate you couldn't ask for a better result. Kudos to Dylan on SkyScrapperCity for digging this info out of the planning.

[Deleted User]

igCorcaigh wrote: »

And there are so many people who don't bother pressing the button. They just stand there waiting before crossing the road anyway. Crazy!

This does my head in!

Curb Your Enthusiasm

snotboogie wrote: »

Unbelievablely this has an operator onboard already, Moxy of the Marriott group. This seems like it will actually go ahead and with a 4 star Marriott brand to operate you couldn't ask for a better result. Kudos to Dylan on SkyScrapperCity for digging this info out of the planning.

That's superb. Moxy is a great brand.. Stayed in one in Poznan before. Really stylish.

marno21

Marriott really seem to be taking interest in Cork. They have expressed interest in the Custom House Tower too

Fingers crossed the Camden Quay site doesn’t go to ABP and gets to construction this year. Mad to think this site was completely dead in the water and now looks like a dead cert to go ahead.

Once vaccines are rolled out en masse by summer hopefully the logjam in Cork Developments gets released. This thread has been very very quiet recently. The big Docklands funding in recent days is another massive piece in the jigsaw in moving forward

leahyl

marno21 wrote: »

Marriott really seem to be taking interest in Cork. They have expressed interest in the Custom House Tower too

Fingers crossed the Camden Quay site doesn’t go to ABP and gets to construction this year. Mad to think this site was completely dead in the water and now looks like a dead cert to go ahead.

Once vaccines are rolled out en masse by summer hopefully the logjam in Cork Developments gets released. This thread has been very very quiet recently. The big Docklands funding in recent days is another massive piece in the jigsaw in moving forward

So much potential in our great city :-)

namloc1980

Apogee wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1374410378902302729

ABP decision on Custom House Quay was due yesterday. How long does it take for those decisions to be made public, or are they normally leaked to journalists before being published on ABP website?

[edit] "Retail" - probably not above.

Looks like this is the Penney's expansion story again.

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Captainsatnav

namloc1980 wrote: »

Looks like this is the Penney's expansion story again.

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Yawn. Ffs, I think we need quality, sustainable retail. Something with a bit of soul.

timmyjimmy

Penneys? FFS. I'd rather spend money on quality than buy something that you'll have to throw out in few weeks.