cnocbui wrote: » Oh give it up. Get out the violins for those nursing homes.
99nsr125 wrote: » Sheesh I'll walk you through one Obesity Shortens lives and increases costs and burden on all of society. There was a pier reviewed study published in the bmj around the start of the college year last year. In round numbers. Being overweight reduced your life by a year Being obese reduced your life by two These people will also spend circa 30 years in those states Weight gained now through the movement, exercise and activity restrictions will have implications for the world for the best part of half a century. You don't quarantine or isolate healthy people because it is detrimental to their health and serves no purpose, you quarantine the ill and high risk. Testing with quarantine when moving across international boundaries and states is how we handle animal and plant matter pathogens. Everyone just copied China and forgot a lifetime of medical knowledge and the politically compromised WHO just went along with it.
cnocbui wrote: » Usage of hospitals for non covid reasons is being restricted:https://extra.ie/2021/01/04/news/irish-news/non-urgent-hospital-care-to-be-scaled-back-due-to-surge-in-covid-19-cases GPs have otherwise noted a decline in access to non-covid healthcare
cnocbui wrote: » Usage of hospitals for non covid reasons is being restricted:https://extra.ie/2021/01/04/news/irish-news/non-urgent-hospital-care-to-be-scaled-back-due-to-surge-in-covid-19-cases GPs have otherwise noted a decline in access to non-covid healthcare:https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gp-deeply-concerned-about-access-to-non-covid-care-during-winter-period-1025197.htmlhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/hidden-harm-of-covid-on-publics-health-will-take-years-to-fully-emerge-39912588.html It's a nonsense to spout blather about protecting hospital capacity when it's clear it's not being used and is being held in reserve for COVID, which is about all the HSE can think about. Allan Kelly asked Harris about HSE modelling of an increase in non-covid mortality and he didn't, or couldn't answer the question. Knowing this country, that probably means they know there is a problem so deliberately don't look into it so as to try and keep it invisible and attention away from it and so they can later try and avoid blame by feigning ignorance.
sydthebeat wrote: » ??? there are more people out exercising now then EVER beforehttps://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/covid-19-crisis-is-causing-people-to-exercise-more/#:~:text=Almost%2050%25%20of%20people%20are,during%20the%20COVID%2D19%20crisis.&text=These%20headline%20observations%20are%20among,during%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic. people have more time in their lives as other distractions arent happening. if you are going to throw out a argument, at least make an effort at one not so obviously spurious and so easily disproven
Probes wrote: » You aren’t actually having a discussion, you’re just blathering random points with no connection to what you were asked. You were asked how lockdown caused delays to medical procedures, something you claimed. The answer is that lockdown prevents delays to medical procedures by protecting hospital capacity.
MadYaker wrote: » Maybe they are just a few weeks behind
humberklog wrote: » Just having a cursory breeze through Sweden's numbers for the last week or so over on Worldometer. They've registered about 49 deaths this week. 39 of those today so I presume a backlog of sorts. That's about 303 reported deaths in just under the last 3 weeks. Interestingly though when I see the Mortality graph for a number of EU countries there's usually a fairly clear 3 hump graph presumably showing the effects of a 3rd wave? Sweden doesn't have that. Just 2 fairly clear humps in Mortality but 3 humps in infections. Have they avoided, so far, the mortality spike associated with the 3rd wave that other countries haven't avoided? So like I said it was a cursory look, I see the same 2 Mortality spikes in Belgium, which surprised me. Anyone over in Sweden on here that has some real time experience of how things are going?
TonyMaloney wrote: » Sweden report deaths differently to all other countries. We release numbers as soon as we're notified of them. Sweden release the numbers based on the date of death. It's a time consuming practice, and there's always a big lag. Currently over two weeks. It's why swedish deaths always seem to be in decline, even when they're at their worst.
humberklog wrote: » Yeah, that's been well flagged previously in the thread and that's a very handy graph you've linked which indeed does project a 3rd spike on the way.
DylanJM wrote: » Having a good chunk of the elderly and vulnerable vaxxed now
biko wrote: » Hmm, no Proportion of Sweden's population 18 years and older who have received at least one dose: 12.6% Percentage of Sweden's population 18 years and older who have been fully vaccinated: 5.5%https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/corona-vaccin/
CalamariFritti wrote: » If you get that from looking at that graph you may have next weeks lotto numbers handy also.
humberklog wrote: » Am I reading it wrong? Over on the right hand side there are gray bars showing the expected beginnings of an upward trajectory and the legend says "Grays bars show 95% credible intervals for predicted actual deaths, with points at the median".
CalamariFritti wrote: » Credible doesnt mean its actually going to happen. Doesnt even mean its likely to happen. Just means its plausible. Looking at he date before the grey bars begin anything could happen from there. Including what the grey bars say.
humberklog wrote: » I wasn't reading the graph as fact, but just what they're projecting and I'm taking that with a pinch of salt.
Bit cynical wrote: » I think you are probably right to take it with a pinch of salt, at least until you know on what basis they are making the projection.
DylanJM wrote: » 66% of 80-89 range with at least one dose. 83% of 90+ range with at least one dose.
charlie14 wrote: » With how Sweden`s new case numbers are still rising week on week, I imagine that is what the projection is based on.
biko wrote: » Sound, if you only look at that age bracket then yes, the majority are being vaccinated.
cnocbui wrote: » Deaths are declining week on week.
charlie14 wrote: » Are new cases and ICU numbers ?
