See19 wrote: » Ireland needs a plan B and follow India’s and many other countries good example and stockpile very cheap Ivermectin and provide it on prescription to people who need it while waiting for vaccination. Tons of growing evidence for plan B as vaccines may not solve the problem this year. Miike Check out data on : c19early.com and ivmmeta.com Ivermectin is 40 years old and very low cost & Risk Plan B ! Anyone else feel the same and it a no brainer? We don’t have time to delay playing politics with the Gov / Medical bureaucracy. The evidence for using Ivermectin is overwhelming as India reduced it Covid deaths by over 90%. Covid Deaths for 1M Pop (Worldometer 14th Mar 2021) 1. UK = 1842 2. USA = 1,646 3. Ireland = 911 4. India = 114 (estimated forecast =2500) = 95% reduction
See19 wrote: » In early 2019 India was forecast to have the highest Covid deaths but due to Ivermectin has the lowest and no one has any other evidence to explain this.
See19 wrote: » All studies combined (pooled effects, early, late, prophylaxis) Medication Improvement Studies Authors Patients Ivermectin 72% [64‑79%] 46 371 15,480 The data and direction is compelling - India is just one of many moving in the right direction. In 6 month time we will be wondering why no one did anything if new variant appears the beats the all vaccines.
banie01 wrote: » Quite a crystal ball! Whomever made the early 2019 prediction on the impact of a virus that didn't emerge until late 2019 should really start doing a line in horoscopes too.
Miike wrote: » So you've just decided India is using it then? Right. I see where this is going.
ShineOn7 wrote: » I haven't read this thread in a good while Where are Ireland at with this treatment?
Piollaire wrote: » Our medicines regulator - HPRA - only licences a medicine when a manufacturer submits it for approval. Merck(MSD) is not going to do it.
ShineOn7 wrote: » Why won't Merck submit it?
Piollaire wrote: » Because they are developing new anti-virals for which they have received huge financial support from the US Government. These new medicines will also be on patent and provide vastly greater profit margins.
See19 wrote: » But an Irish vet can prescribe Ivermectin for an animal and we can then eat the animal to get a very small dose of Ivermectin, not much use as human a treatment for Covid.
Country wide adoption of Ivermectin Covid treatment is accelerating at different levels with countries like Portugal, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Egypt, El Salcador, Guatemala, India, Mexico, Peru South Africa etc and increasing daily. Any ideas how long will it be before Ireland is added to this List? Maybe a Petition will help the Gov bend the HPRA rules like other countries did?
Piollaire wrote: » I've come across numerous reports of people taking horse paste which is not medically recommended. Can't imagine there would be many signing that as the belief is out there that if it was an effective medicine then the health authorities would have authorised it. I think directly lobbying the major players in Ireland would be more effective especially if we could get someone with standing to advocate on Ivermectin's behalf.
See19 wrote: » ] I agree the direct approach would work but a petition with 5000 signatures might help get it over the line. I think the gov is too afraid of making a bad decision and need a bit of a push to think outside the box, what have they / we got to lose? Has anyone used change.org to start a petition and would you sign it?
Piollaire wrote: » I'd be happy to sign
lalababa wrote: » If the **** hit the fan would anyone here inject ivermectin cattle dose?? It's usually 1ml per 50kg. But it usually has clorsulan with it. I'd give it a go after ringing a vet...be damnedðŸ˜
See19 wrote: » I know some drugs are made in the same lab for both Animals and humans but have different quality approval process. My dog is more important than some humans so I would expect the best. �� I agree the direct approach would work but a petition with 5000 signatures might help get it over the line. I think the gov is too afraid of making a bad decision and need a bit of a push to think outside the box, what have they / we got to lose? Has anyone used change.org to start a petition and would you sign it?
is_that_so wrote: » Invermectin is still unproven and not recommended for COVID by any authority our experts would recognise, so I'm afraid you'd be wasting your time.
Piollaire wrote: » Only the middle part of that sentence is correct. Some sceptism of our authorities is a healthy attitude - in this case literally.
is_that_so wrote: » That they are still sceptical suggests there's good reason. Any links I've seen say it is unproven, some even point to people ending up in hospital from taking it. My own feeling is that other treatments, some old, some new, will probably be put to use first far more widely.
Piollaire wrote: » Our medicines reguator, the HPRA, and the European Medecines Agency haven't said it's unproven. They simply haven't looked at it due to regulations that put the ball totally in the manufacturer's court. New medicines haven't shown anyway near the efficacy of Ivermectin and we will be thoroughly gouged on price. Remdesevir costs $3,000.
DaSilva wrote: » I really haven't followed the ivermectin story, but are some of you trying to tell me that ivermectin really works but all around the world health agencies are conspiring with Merck to pretend it doesn't work so they can make money from developing new treatments?
Piollaire wrote: » There's no grand conspiracy - it's just the management of Merck who have so far suceeded in undermining confidence internationally in the use of Ivermectin.
DaSilva wrote: » I am still confused though, do Merck own all the IP to this drug? If so couldn't they make a fortune from it if they actually do hold the cure for covid? And if they don't then isn't some other company able to make it and run the trials if they have the cure for covid?
is_that_so wrote: » Both the FDA and WHO advise against it. Why do you imagine I'm just talking about that? There are other treatments under review and being researched.
