humberklog wrote: » Although it is a thread on Sweden, Norway and Finland keep getting thrown into the mix. Both those countries have done exceptionally well. Does anyone know what they've done right? Were they early mask and distance adopters? Do they foriegn holiday less? Did they have swifter, harsher and prolonged lockdowns (for what "lockdown" means in that country), what did they do to protect the elderly and vulnerable? I think European countries have more to learn about what to do from those countries than what not to do from Sweden.
biko wrote: » Sweden hitting 13K dead any day now.
Bit cynical wrote: » Current daily deaths in Sweden lowest per capita in EU apart from Denmark, Finland and Cyprus. This despite, according to Biko, restrictions being far less than Ireland.
charlie14 wrote: » They have already passed that figure of 13K.dead. By last Friday it was 13,003.
biko wrote: » Anders Tegnell have received a lot of hate mail says FHM director Johan Carlson. A Swedish paper fact checked a sample from December and noted that out of 87 mails that month to Anders perhaps 8 were could be considered containing hate, the rest were regular criticism. One mail could be considered threatening. When you are the figurehead for Sweden's strategy and have overseen all those dead, I would have thought more people would have written angry mails.https://kvartal.se/artiklar/fhm-drar-hatkortet/
Stockholm school sends pupil home for wearing face mask A mother has told The Local her 13-year-old son was banned from attending classes at an international school in the Stockholm region until he agreed to remove the mask he was wearing. She is now complaining to the local municipality. “I was fuming,” she said. “I am deeply shocked by these measures and find it unacceptable. It should be a matter of choice. I don’t think one should be prevented from wearing a mask.” The school explained in an emailed statement to The Local that although the school could not comment on individual cases, on the subject of masks, it followed the advice of the Stockholm region’s infectious diseases unit, Smittskydd Stockholm.
biko wrote: » Anders Tegnell have received a lot of hate mail says FHM director Johan Carlson. A Swedish paper factchecked a sample from December and noted that out of 87 so called hate mails that month to Anders perhaps 8 were could be considered containing hate, the rest were regular criticism. One mail could be considered threatening. When you are the figurehead for Sweden's strategy and have overseen all those dead, I would have thought more people would have written angry mails.https://kvartal.se/artiklar/fhm-drar-hatkortet/
Bit cynical wrote: » No and to be honest it is speculation on my part. The indirect deaths I would expect to see over the next couple of years rather than in the immediate period of the lockdown itself. A very strict lockdown I would actually expect to see fewer deaths during the lockdown itself not just Covid-19 deaths but road traffic accidents, other infections like influenza, workplace accidents etc.
humberklog wrote: » Importantly though according to Biko's post Tegnell and the Government still have the will of the people behind them to a large extent. And that is an important and often overlooked point.
"Now you are well happy Tegnell when an infection record is set every day. Congratulations! You are a disaster for Sweden and you must go Tegnell. Leave so more can survive. " "You are ready for 40 years in prison or life"
You should be executed live on TV
biko wrote: » That's not what my post was about.
cnocbui wrote: » Was that last threat from the Irish clown who had to flee the country due to threats because of his criticisms of Swedens policies?
humberklog wrote: » Yeah, I should've been clearer in my post. I meant the content linked in your post would lead me to think that there's still no meaningful kickback against Tegnell/Gov.
biko wrote: » At the start of the pandemic the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (that have a lot of responsibility during the pandemic) had an approval rating of 62%. In January 2021 it was 35%. Tegnell's Public Health Agency went from 64% till 56% But yeah, in times of crises people tend to stick to the current administration. They really want to believe Tegnell and Co are doing a good job, the alternative is pretty scary.https://omni.se/en-grymt-stor-majoritet-tycker-vi-gor-ett-bra-jobb/a/GaBlGxhttps://www.expressen.se/nyheter/kraftigt-fortroendetapp-for-msb-efter-eliassons-resa-/
humberklog wrote: » I think Sweden had about 146 deaths declared this week (Sun-Sun on Worldometer). Ireland at about 112. I know a lot of ours are from Jan and Feb too and I don't know if that's the case in Sweden.
humberklog wrote: » When I posted this on Sunday Sweden hadn't updated their figures for a couple of days so today they've released new fatality numbers and as of today that stands at 13, 172 and compare that to the 7th of March- 13003. So that's 169 recorded deaths in the last 9 days. Whilst that's not near "best in class" it's still not the kinda figures some doomsayers were predicting*. *I won't say "hoping for" as that would be disingenuous but by the tone of some of the posts here it often reads that some posters certainly aren't wishing Sweden to do well from here on in.
TonyMaloney wrote: » Sweden reports deaths differently to the rest of the world. Where we release numbers based on the date the HSE were notified about them, Sweden report the actual date the deaths occurred on. This is a slow process, and depending on how bad things are, it can mean that they're up to one month behind. They're currently about two weeks behind, and as cases have been rising steadily, as sure as night follows day, deaths will be rising too. It's because of this reporting anomaly that Sweden's charts always look like their deaths are in decline, even when they're at their very worst.
CalamariFritti wrote: » Which continues to be exactly in line with our deaths when aligned to the two countries' age profiles.
charlie14 wrote: » Seriously are we back to this again. Comparing Ireland to Sweden where it suits, while ignoring the fact that when the same age metric profile is applied to Sweden’s Nordic neighbours it is most definitely not “aligned”
greyday wrote: » Looks like Sweden may be entering their 3rd wave.
Bit cynical wrote: » Only when this did not happen did critics move on to comparing Sweden with with the very best performing in the EU.
Dj Stiggie wrote: » I live in Denmark so Sweden's approach has been in the news a lot. Usually Danes are very untrusting of the government and prefer minimal involvement (by Northern European standards) and Swedes are more accepting of the Nanny State. This time though, it's the opposite. Two weeks ago the media here and in Sweden were saying that Easter will be the time that we see who has the right approach as many people will be traveling, and a lot of Sweden has been unaffected as it's so spread out. Since then though their death rate has soared and we're reopening primary schools and some businesses on Wednesday. Also, Denmark has over 1,000 respirators available, with just over 150 being used. I know whose approach I'm happier with.
