Itssoeasy wrote: » I didn’t say that. Prince Harry said on tv that he had started to address those issues. He also said it helped he had William to talk to about it which seems to have broken down which is an awful shame if true. I don’t disagree that there’s an element of self preservation involved with the royal family and the press but they both use each other to keep things as they are. It’s a sad situation wrapped up a bizarre institution which probably amplifies the issues at hand. And btw Harry was well able to use the press to his own ends previously. Surely he could have played the press at their own game.
BettyS wrote: » Correct me if I am wrong, I agree with your point. Additionally, do the royal family not have immense power over what the UK press can report?
Stateofyou wrote: » Kate's published topless photos taken with an extreme long lens from the treetops suggest otherwise...
BettyS wrote: » I am playing Devil’s advocate here. So, granted he left for mental health reasons. But when he was talking to the executive from Disney about a role for Meghan and they lined up the Netflix, Oprah and Corden deals, the UK public saw them using their royal positions as a springboard to bigger and higher things. It seems in the eyes of the British public like it was his strategy all along to reach stardom, rather than a need for seeking equanimity. Ultimately, they are free persons. They are free to choose their course in life. Nothing is worth compromised mental health. It is the actions post-leaving that may have presented them in a negative light. I am not defining right or wrong, I am certainly in no position to do this. However, the issue now is the public perception.
BettyS wrote: » Yes, but allegedly there was another, more damaging story about them that never made the light of day in the UK.
Stateofyou wrote: » Missed this one. Well I read the Disney documentary she voiced was all for charity, and the fee donated directly to elephant conservation. Why wouldn't they use their best / biggest / only leverage to support themselves and their charitable foundation? I disagree on the point about stardom. He already has that as a royal prince. The issue with public perception I think is due in large part to the relentless negative media printing lies people read as gospel and it turns perceptions and support against them. Of course they need to take control of their own truth. I also think many have issue with her skin tone.
BettyS wrote: » You are using the argument of false equivalence. On a slight tangent, the median salary in this country is 40,000. If two people make 80,000 per year, and have to pay childcare costs and rent, raising 40,000+ for the deposit can feel like scraping it together. You surely cannot deny the immense privilege the royals have? The closest most of us on Boards will get to a private jet is as a spectator from afar. The money they have by any world standard is obscene
the purple tin wrote: » You are forgetting about Aonghus Von Bismarck :pac:
afro man wrote: » Think this was the French Media that released these pictures they would not listen to the British Monarchy
BettyS wrote: » Kate was mauled by the British press not so long ago. She was apparently too common for William. This had nothing to do with her skin colour.
Stateofyou wrote: » When was that, before they were married? Why would it have anything to do with her skin colour?
BettyS wrote: » I don’t think that they were any worse to Meghan. I am enclosing the top comment from an article in 2010. Plenty more examples out there. They were really cruel to both, but they did not single out Meghan
Stateofyou wrote: » I absolutely think Meghan endured far worse, and the articles they ran comparing them both and the hypocrisy of the same action being ok for Kate but not Meghan. Then there's the racism element, being a foreigner and actress. All those examples have already been posted here on this thread. Regardless, I think the gutter press is such an ugly part of society, I would welcome seeing stricter rules on what they can publish and requiring proper sources.
BettyS wrote: » Well, read the links that I said and then make up your mind
BettyS wrote: » Well, read the links and associated top comments that I said and then make up your mind Nobody was ever going to be good enough for the British public’s press's intrusion on the princes
Stateofyou wrote: » Did you edit your post? Didn't see those there before. Well I'm not disagreeing that Kate also bore a huge brunt of the gutter press. But in my opinion Meghan had it far worse. And I can only imagine how it feels to give up your life and move to a new country and without your own family support, only to be vilified. Their situations are very different, but at the end of the day I think what happened to both women is very wrong.
Leroy42 wrote: » With all that money and privilege the easiest thing for Harry to have done is kept his mouth shut, turned up to the odd event, and lived his life. Like the majority of the royal family actually do. But he didn't, couldn't, opt for that. He needed things to fundamentally change. You can bet he brought issues up with his Da, the queen etc. It is sad that they couldn't bring themselves to look to actually help him. I know everyone thinks the queen is amazing, but as a grandmother, as a parent, as a role model, she seems to be completely lacking. Her family is completely screwed up.
bitofabind wrote: » Yeah people forget about this and tend to compare 2018 Kate to newly wed 2018 Meghan, when that's a pretty redundant comparison. The press gave Kate a really hard time for years before she married William, she was known as "waity Katy" because they were together for so long before the proposal and mocked for her non-aristocratic background. Before that, Sophie the countess of Wessex was set up by the press not to mention Fergie the "Duchess of Pork". The British press is like an Irish mammy, no woman is good enough for their royal Princes and no new wife gets an easy ride. Meghan walked into a job she didn't understand and then wanted to change all the rules, be the new "woke" princess and do things her way and it was never going to happen. I've no doubt Harry wanted to leave for years before she came along, but now they've burned loads of bridges to be able to do that and they have far worse consequences for Harry than for Meghan, who basically has tarnished all of his family relationships and his privileges within the Royal family structure.
BettyS wrote: » I think that the British public felt that Kate earned her stripes. They saw Meghan make a few faux-pas before earning her stripes, such as the Wimbledon incident, the celebrity-studded wedding and the high staff turnover. These actions were too radical and too rapid a departure from the status quo for certain Royalists. It must be challenging to enter into the Monarchy as a woman in her 30s. I couldn’t do it! All the protocols and pretentiousness would drive me insane. The concept of ranking based on birthright rather than meritocracy seems ludicrous
the purple tin wrote: » Prince Andrew's interview as well. That would never have been aired if they had the power to stop it.
BettyS wrote: » I think that the British public felt that Kate earned her stripes. They saw Meghan make a few faux-pas before earning her stripes, such as the Wimbledon incident, the celebrity-studded wedding and the high staff turnover. These actions were too radical and too rapid a departure from the status quo for certain Royalists.It must be challenging to enter into the Monarchy as a woman in her 30s. I couldn’t do it! All the protocols and pretentiousness would drive me insane. The concept of ranking based on birthright rather than meritocracy seems ludicrous
Purple Mountain wrote: » Where can us Irish folk watch the Oprah interview next week?
