benny79 wrote: » I get what you are saying ForeRight and I understand a blanket ban but it isnt working and other counties aren't doing it. As someone mentioned golf is allowed in Scotland. Plus it was allowed before xmas when other sports were closed. My point is the need to open sports that are deemed less risk Golf, tennis the likes if for any other reason than to spread people out. Take some away from the parks etc.
The Big Easy wrote: » . Is it any wonder that those whose lives and work are given more meaning by this pandemic (politicians, reporters, healthcare professionals) can't quite grasp the deleterious effect it has on the rest of us?!
not yet wrote: » I played last year under the new rules, I can tell you I never came closer then I came to people out walking in the park, take what you want from that.
Raisins wrote: » I was with you until you went on this tangent. Anyone who has to go out and work as an essential worker, whether politician or healthcare or any others like factory workers and delivery drivers demand a lot of respect. Healthcare workers in particular, don’t deserve to be accused of not understanding the effect of the pandemic on the rest of us.
The Big Easy wrote: » I fully agree they are worthy of respect, but anyone fully engaged and allowed to be fully engaged with their own work at this time, naturally will have a different outlook and perspective on restrictions.
GreeBo wrote: » Yeah but it was the same people you were "close" to for those 3/4 hours, that makes a difference afaik. In the park each "pod/bubble" doesnt interact with anyone else and is pretty much constantly moving, with golf we are standing on the tee and green beside each other for a few mins on each hole, so more chance of spreading something.
ForeRight wrote: » The blanket ban I was referring to was on sports. I wasn’t comparing golf to any shops that are open which some may consider non esssntial. If golf was open a whole world of screaming starts for government from other sports who could argue they are safe also and then the full retail, restaurants and pubs follow that was my point.
ForeRight wrote: » I understand your dads situation and it’s crap, I get that but unfortunately the bigger picture is about way more than a situation that’s quite personal to you. My parents go nowhere. Health wise not great and they are at home with my adult special needs brother. My dad would love to go to golf too. It’s a terrible situation for everyone. We are nearly there now though imo.
gypsy79 wrote: » Carr golf can confirm there wasn't one case of a virus transmission at any of there courses
They are guessing and go with shut everything carte blanche
Pay peanuts....get monkeys
bustercherry wrote: » Imagine is Lahinch had an open but there was country travel restrictions in place? There would be people from all over the county at it because they can't help themselves, "shur what harm is it doing" :rolleyes:
GreeBo wrote: » In the park each "pod/bubble" doesnt interact with anyone else and is pretty much constantly moving.
Seve OB wrote: » so to use your own words and flip it around a bit, some shops are open which some may consider non essential, but that is allowed. there is a world out there of other shops who are closed who are screaming at the government to say they are safe. the point the government are making is that the ones which are open are safe (because there is no way in the world you are going to convince me that a takeaway coffee shop with queues of people gathering outside it all day long is essential). how would opening golf but keeping gyms closed be any different to this annecdote? my example re my dad was more about the mental health issue which you seem to be fobbing off as a bigger problem than a well needed escape to a golf course.... it's not. be it golf, bingo, walking, a pint..... everyone has different things to help keep them sane. the lack of being able to get out to the golf course is most definitely affecting many peoples mental health
Seve OB wrote: » NOBODY is suggesting anything other than golf clubs should be open for their own members only
gypsy79 wrote: » Carr golf can confirm there wasn't one case of a virus transmission at any of there courses They are guessing and go with shut everything carte blanchePay peanuts....get monkeys
Raisins wrote: » You think that argument follows naturally but it doesn’t. There’s no basis for the link that because these essential workers are working they must not understand the effect the restrictions are having on others. These people like healthcare workers would be delighted to see restrictions eased, they have lives and kids and loved ones outside of their work. It’s baseless nonsense but it’s more of the “us” and “them” mentality - they (politicians, workers etc) don’t understand how hard I have it - if they did the rules would be different.
The Big Easy wrote: » Ok, I used broad terms when I shouldn't have, I apologise. In case there is some confusion I am particularly referring to those responsible/have influence in the decision-making process i.e. members of Nphet, members of cabinet, RTE and Irish newspaper editors. I am not talking about nurses and doctors working 12 hour and double and triple shifts. Tell me that a senior HSE official or cabinet minister with a big house and large garden in the suburbs who continues to travel daily to work, having meetings with colleagues, believing they are working together to overcome the crisis of a generation can easily understand what someone living in a house/apartment share unable to work or leave the house apart from essential exercise. I'm not saying none of them can, but not enough to bring any humanity to the process. If you think being ranked third to two totalitarian states in terms of global restriction levels is justified, fair play to you, I don't.
ForeRight wrote: » Those said people I assume have children and family members affected by all the measures just like you or I. Their kids still need to get home schooled, missing sports, probably play golf just like every other normal person etc. No holidays, 5k rule all applies to them also unless going to work. Strange way to think that they are somehow out of touch due to having a garden.
Miley Byrne wrote: » I would argue it's literally the exact opposite of this. Pay way over the top, still get monkeys
RoadRunner wrote: » Over the weekend after having a lunch a market at the royal canal like hundreds of others. I later cycled with the little one to visit bull island. We crossed the packed wooden bridge just like hundreds of thousands of other people that day. I didn't go to the spot where the coffee queue normally starts but I've seen that queue over 50 meters when the place was not busy. The futility of it all grabs you when you walk past the entrance to one of the two golf courses on the land - shoulder to shoulder with everyone living in the area. That golf is closed for our "safety" is ridiculous.
gypsy79 wrote: » There is no way in hell I would do that job for 100k If you think TDs are overpaid then you have no idea of wages for senior jobs in Ireland. Anybody actually qualified to do the job would need take pretty big paycut and then be a public body set for ridicule Leo became a politcian because he was too lazy to be a doctor. Thats coming from multiple people who worked with him for example
bustercherry wrote: » Dear lord, give us all the strength to endure this.
ForeRight wrote: » Seve you seem to be missing my point. I’m not arguing what is and what isn’t essential re shops etc. I understand what you’re saying clearly with that point and as I’ve said I am completely convinced golf is safe. I’m simply saying I can understand why it’s not open yet as the situation is far more complicated that a simple black and white of what’s safe and what’s not. I’d love nothing more than to be out playing today. In regard to golf being essential to mental health my point was that’s not a reason to open it up. Mental health that’s held together by swinging a golf club is not actually very healthy. I understand your personal situation and can see you’re frustrated over your dad but you know yourself decisions like this don’t be made over isolated situations that are effected. Your dads situation is crap, of course and I empathise but it would be in the extreme minority. I fully expect multiple replies now of how it’s not but let’s be honest 95% of golfers walk the course which means they can walk the park or wherever they like for fresh air and exercise.
ClutchIt wrote: » People use mental health as an excuse for anything nowadays. Absolute nonsense.
Russman wrote: » Not sure if golf is covered by “outdoor activities”, if it’s not then it doesn’t look good for April......https://www.independent.ie/news/varadkar-warns-no-major-easing-of-restrictions-until-may-as-he-tells-tds-to-stay-on-message-40145692.html
gypsy79 wrote: » There is no way in hell I would do that job for 100k If you think TDs are overpaid then you have no idea of wages for senior jobs in Ireland. Anybody actually qualified to do the job would need take pretty big paycut and then be a public body set for ridiculeLeo became a politcian because he was too lazy to be a doctor. Thats coming from multiple people who worked with him for example
Seve OB wrote: » i was with you till you said this about Leo. thats a bit unfair. of course, that is unless you know him personally and he told you that in confidence. or maybe you are Leo.
gypsy79 wrote: » I am personal friends with two doctors who have worked with him It is a well known fact that he was one of the laziest junior doctor in history. Everyone hated to work with him because of his laziness
