lurleen lumpkin wrote: » I've opened a bottle of football special!
lurleen lumpkin wrote: » Decided on during the meeting with illegal organisations.
RobMc59 wrote: » Massive investment deal in Derry with over one hundred million pounds each by the Northern Ireland executive and the UK government. Rather flies in the face of the codswallop spouted by our resident republicans I`d say.https://www.derrynow.com/news/news/612268/key-agreement-to-be-signed-today-as-part-of-plans-for-250m-investment-in-derry-s-council-area.html
Fionn1952 wrote: » Said with all the confidence of someone with no idea how badly the West has been neglected with regards to investment for decades, compared with the (purely coincidentally I'm sure...) huge investment made in the (largely Protestant) North East of NI. While I'm certainly glad to see it for once, it really isn't the big deal you seem to think. How exactly does it fly in the face of anything said by anyone on here? I challenge you to find a single post which this article, 'flies in the face of'.
RobMc59 wrote: » How strange that something like this provokes all this bile and negatively amongst republicans.All from posters who either don't live in NI or have moved away from there. Everytime I post something positive about NI this is the default reaction from these posters Obviously they have no wish for NI to prosper.
downcow wrote: » Yes that’s the sad situation rob. The nonsense Fionn talks about investment in the north east of ni. No region of the U.K. has got anything like the level of support that the entire region of ni has got over last 50 years, and everyone should be very grateful
RobMc59 wrote: » How strange that something like this provokes all this bile and negativity amongst republicans.All from posters who either don't live in NI or have moved away from there. Everytime I post something positive about NI this is the default reaction from these posters Obviously they have no wish for NI to prosper.
downcow wrote: » Yes that’s the sad situation rob. The nonsense Fionn talks about investment in the north east of ni. No region of the U.K. has got anything like the level of support that the entire region of ni has got over last 50 years, and everyone should be very grateful. The republicans on here also want to ignore that the ira were devastating the west and south of ni for decades.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Yes Downcow, NI has received a tremendous amount of support via fiscal transfers. This is necessary because it is an economic black hole in desperate need of reform. 100% historically part of that was due to the actions of the PIRA (who wants to invest when their building could be bombed tomorrow), though they have been on ceasefire for almost 30 years, so perhaps it would be worth looking elsewhere for reasons why it hasn't improved significantly in the period since? You're also deflecting from my point and addressing a strawman. I did not state that the NI region did not receive a tremendous amount of support over the last 50 years, I stated that investment in NI has disproportionately been in the (traditionally Unionist) North East part of the place. A basic analysis of infrastructure would show this to be true. Tell me what exactly I should be grateful for in Fermanagh?
Fionn1952 wrote: » I stated that investment in NI has disproportionately been in the (traditionally Unionist) North East part of the place. A basic analysis of infrastructure would show this to be true.
downcow wrote: » Firstly, it will take generations to recover from the sectarian conflict. There are also lots of people on here regularly blamed stuff the Brits done hundreds of years ago for their problems today so I think it is entirely reasonable to naming stuff that happened in recent living memory I will day again that the vast majority of the british spending in the last 3 decades of 20th century was in republican areas. Ironically, because most of those with the balls to join or carry out work for the security forces came from Protestant areas, lots of the money made its way to be spent in shops and businesses in Protestant areas. Also because the ira select Protestant premises and homes for bombing, it means those now make up a bigger percentage of the new modern buildings.
Fionn1952 wrote: » the issue is that we are a generation and a half out and aren't even seeing the green shoots.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Rather than another rant about Republicans, how about actually addressing the post? I stated that I was happy to see the investment, but the area had been horrendously neglected with regards to investment for far too long. If you actually knew the place instead of looking through your rose-tinted Rule Britannia glasses, you'd understand this. So I'll ask again, Rob - provide ONE quote that this investment, 'flies in the face of' as you stated.
droidman123 wrote: » Show me where the bile and negativity was posted about this,and while you are at it can you answer my question why did you vote to remain with a "nest of vipers" in charge of the eu?
RobMc59 wrote: » The general reaction (I acknowledge you are happy to see the investment)is so negative and derogatory towards NI. Just because I'm English doesn't mean I'm unfamiliar with Derry.I think it's a vibrant city and enjoy spending time there. My comments regarding investment in NI was commenting on the fanciful notion prompted by most republicans here that the UK government overlooks NI.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Rob, the UK government shafted NI Unionists for their own selfish interests...have you not been following? Overlooked? They totally ignored them and bull****ted them, then shafted them and they will do it again. If you want to see what cities and regions in the 'UK' are missing out on and are going to miss out on going forward, read about Cornwall and Sunderland. Derry is lucky to get this no doubt but it is long long overdue.
Natterjack from Kerry wrote: » That is why NI must make its own future, not dream that all would be fine if it joined brand Eire, but seize the phenomenally good deal the Brexit fallout has handed it, and exploit and rebuild itself economically as a dual status region, effectively both part of the UK, and of the EU trade zone.
RobMc59 wrote: » Francie,don't you understand Unionism doesn't just exist in NI.The whole UK is built on Unionism. Unionism in NI is one part of it. I don't dispute there are poor regions in the UK which I attribute to years of tory austerity and failure to invest.Britain isn't the only country guilty of this. Investment is required in Ireland for example,transport links to NW Ireland is lacking and border counties are crying out for Investment. I believe,wherever you go ,regardless of country the regions nearest the capital get the lions share of funding imo.
Fionn1952 wrote: » My request stands, all I'm asking for is that you provide a quote which this investment, 'flies in the face of'. I've visited most major cities in the UK, Rob.....I wouldn't try having an authoritative discussion with people who spent most of their life living nearby based on having a wee holiday there, so while I'm not saying your experience is totally invalid, I am saying that perhaps those who live in the area might have a bit more knowledge of the subject than someone who spent a few days holidaying there, experiencing the city as a tourist rather than going through the likes of trying to find employment in the area (particularly high value employment- a topic close to my heart as the main reason I left the North, even taking the higher living costs into account, my salary here is vastly superior compared with living in the North, and growth opportunities beyond my level at the time I moved practically non-existent) or dealing with awful infrastructure (I suggest looking up a map of motorways and rail services in the North for some context on this).
RobMc59 wrote: » Just posting about this investment has provoked a furious reaction amongst republicans here. My comments about a nest of vipers was aimed specifically at the bureaucrats in brussels,not the nations of the EU.
droidman123 wrote: » Yes i know that,but if thats your feelings,why did you vote to remain?
RobMc59 wrote: » Fionn,I'm aware many major companies have invested in Ireland,I'm not disputing that.As I've said in previous posts, any reporting of positive news about NI is belittled by republicans who don't want NI to prosper as its against their agenda imo. I don't know when you moved from NI although it's common for republican posters to deride Britain even though they don't live there,what's so wrong with me singing the praises of NI even though I don't live there.? I've always kept a close eye on employment opportunities in NI/Ireland and agree there are more available in Ireland but there are decent jobs available in NI imo. If anything,I'd say there's a shortage of qualified people in both..
Fionn1952 wrote: » Once more, I'd ask for specifics Rob. Actual quotes from posters that are in any way relevant to this investment. A Republican poster (rightly or wrongly so we don't go down that rabbit hole) deriding the impact that Britain has had in Ireland doesn't require direct experience with living in Britain; they require direct experience with the impact Britain has had on Ireland. You're trying to discuss the local economy of specific parts of NI and your experience is that you had a holiday there and claim to look at a few job boards. It is unbelievable how far off the mark you are in this particular case though; it is well documented how dependent NI is on public sector employment (another one of the boasts when claiming that unification is unaffordable, conveniently forgotten about when trying to argue the contradictory position about NI prosperity), it is well documented that it has struggled to attract inward investment that is even remotely comparable to that of the rest of Ireland. There is a well documented brain drain issue with NI, with students going off to University and not coming back due to lack of local opportunities (this particular issue impacts on the Unionist community disproportionately, being more likely to attend university in Britain and stay there). But you visited Derry once and looked on a jobs board, so obviously you know more about the local economy and employment prospects than people who lived in it.
RobMc59 wrote: » Been coming to Ireland over 40 years with a wife from Drogheda so probably a bit more than a single holiday visit to Derry. I've never noticed any striking difference between the two places(Ireland/NI).I understand the difference in salaries etc but also know the cost of living is considerably higher in Ireland. You don't tend to deride the UK although many of your fellow posters of a republican persuasion do.The same ones have pulled me up saying I don't live in Ireland/NI but the fact they don't live in the UK apparently sails over their heads when they're criticising the UK on the myriad of anti UK threads.
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