malinheader wrote: » My view is harsher restrictions are needed for people entering the country so the rest of us who have been keeping to the restrictions might have a chance of getting our lives back.
Akesh wrote: » The reality is that we are going to have to learn to live with Covid
ShineOn7 wrote: » So open up like we did in December except now the Kent variant is endemic and the Brazilian one has arrived? I'll pass on that
Mitch Connor wrote: » Why not open up like we did in October etc and try to manage the situation, rather than how we did at christmas when it became a near free-for-all. The problem is the governemt are now running with a L5 or nothing mantra, so of course we stay in level 5. Why can't things be at L3? Why can't we start to open up as the vulnerable become vaccinated? remember the first lock down was to provide time and space for the Hospitals to gear up (which they didn't) not to get rid of Covid.
Tenzor07 wrote: » 'Cos you're dealing with the "Zero Covid" crowd as you can see from the full timers who post on here.. ....ZC seems to have taken over the political "opposition" in Ireland.. They'll sacrifice the Economy and peoples livelihoods to achieve it and tell you at the same time that there'll be no more lockdowns when quite obviously there will be with the ZC strategy. We have Flu season every year with 100's of deaths, yet you never hear the ZC crowd before Covid... Time to manage Covid instead of trying to do the impossible by Eliminating it at massive cost to every other illness out there..
Silentcorner wrote: » We managed to get zero Influenza this year, does anyone actually think that is the last we have seen of the flu? Zero Covid is off the wall stuff...dangerously off the wall I must add.
Akesh wrote: » You're happy to take the advice of someone who suggests the vaccine will be effective against the Brazilian variant, which is not yet proven. What do you do if the vaccine isn't effective against the Brazilian variant of future mutations? Your solution or recommendation is based on zero Covid and a silver bullet vaccine. Both are fantasy goals with no basis in reality. Locking down the country away for 4k deaths is absolutely crazy. How many deaths are acceptable? How do you propose we pay for these perpetual lockdown tactics? Why not just lockdown the country for the 20 odd people that die from seasonal flu each year?
Akesh wrote: » Your solution or recommendation is based on zero Covid
ShineOn7 wrote: » It's not. That's how you're interpreting it I don't believe Zero Covid is in any way achievable in Ireland and those who do and keep making New Zealand comparisons need to have a little lie down
Akesh wrote: » I don't think you know what you want.
Maybe too much time spend on Reddit.
ShineOn7 wrote: » The most upvoted post on Reddit Ireland today has some excellent points
46 Long wrote: » The problem is not that we're ignoring the public health guidelines. The problem is the public health guidelines and a government too spineless to reign in the crusading fanaticism of Tony Holohan and NPHET. The media loves to pontificate about the perils of the far-right and creeping authoritarianism in other parts of the world yet when our own government strips us of basic civil liberties there isn't a peep out of them. Not a word of protest when the government decided to limit us to within 2km of our houses and force people out of jobs. Not a single critical article when they put an indefinite hold on the constitutional right of all citizens to a passport. People were arrested for walking on beaches by themselves while curtain-twitchers rejoiced and newspaper columnists tut-tutted. For all intents and purposes NPHET and government are acting as the same entity at this point and we have sleepwalked ourselves into the most draconian, authoritarian restrictions that this country has ever seen in modern times. Enough is enough and the public mood is already turning against them. We may have gone mad in crowds but one by one we are regaining our sanity and starting to demand an end to this charade. Blaming the public and allowing us to sit outside the pub for an orange juice in July if we're good isn't going to cut it any more.
Strumms wrote: » Civil liberties? You HAVE to stop at red traffic lights, you can’t drink 4 vodkas and drive, or do you find these laws that are also in existence to keep people well, healthy, alive are a charade and impinging in your civil liberty too..?
46 Long wrote: » No one is arguing for the right to run red lights or drive while intoxicated. How you manage to equate that with the fundamental right to a passport and freedom of movement is beyond me. To borrow your shítty, straw-man analogy, the current restrictions are analogous to banning alcohol or shutting down all car travel because of the 140 odd fatalities on our roads every year.
PintOfView wrote: » So, just to be clear, are you saying your civil liberties trump the rights of some other people to carry on living? Or have you some other way to return the country to normal without overrunning the hospitals and causing a lot of death that is being kept at bay by the restrictions?
PintOfView wrote: » So, just to be clear, are you saying your civil liberties trump the rights of some other people to carry on living?
46 Long wrote: » In this scenario? Yes. Unequivocally. We make the same decision on this every year when hundreds die from influenza. The country cannot be brought to it's knees and five million people subjected to severe restrictions on their daily lives to combat an illness that is not dangerous to the majority.
papu wrote: » It's incredible that so far into this thing, people still don't seem to grasp that it's a pandemic, it isn't the same as the flu, and people across all age ranges are ending up in intensive care...
46 Long wrote: » It's incredible that so far into this thing, people still don't seem to grasp that while Covid and flu are entirely separate illnesses, the central moral question of restrictions vs fatalities is essentially the same. Influenza is almost non-existent at the moment and it usually claims a few hundred lives every year. To be consistent in your approach you would also need to back lockdowns every single winter. Anyone who isn't a hypocrite or an idealist with a tenuous grasp on reality should be able grasp this concept. It's not a pleasant thought but it is the reality we find ourselves in.
is_that_so wrote: » It's only planned to be from certain locations. Interning everyone would overload any system very fast.
papu wrote: » One is a seasonal occurance the other is a global pandemic.
DessieJames wrote: » This mass hysteria and fixation about travel is both cringeworthy and embarrassing, you are aware i assume that hardly any cases at all since last year, and even over the xmas period are attributed to travel, yet mainstream media which is effectively a mouthpiece of the government, the government themselves and NPHET have people worked up into a frenzy about travel,when the REAL problem is the governments shocking inability to have any sort of plan, slow vaccinations,no real proper track and trace system, rapid anigen testing,etc we would be in a far better position of all this would have been implemented a long time ago, as for NPHET, they are a one trick pony, clueless, their answer to everything is just lock down for as long as possible.,with no regard to the devestation and harm it causes society. No one is denying the virus got there via travel initially before anyone knew about it, but how can anyone possibly know for sure that this was someone from up north coming down here who may have been infected,you simply dont know if it was someone coming in to Dub airport,mass hysteria nonsense, ive flew several times during this and never felt safer, and yes i did restrict my movements after i returned before you ask. It's easier to blame travel, without any actual evidence being offered up, just embarrasing mass hysteria rubbish and the gullible people who believe all of this.
jcon1913 wrote: » The so called UK variant is responsible for 95% of cases according to RTÉ this evening. And that’s from travel
jcon1913 wrote: » There won’t be many traveling in the knowledge that they will be spending 2 weeks and 2 grand on a hotel - I’d say very few people will be traveling once this comes in.
