Boggles wrote: » There is always a lag of weeks. If you are judging what may happen on current hospitalizations you are doing it wrong. Belgium tried to do that way and they overwhelmed their ICU's. It's the people in charge over there who are talking about the start of a third wave, it's not paper talk, the infection rate backs it up. It's been blamed on fatigue with restrictions. That's the thing about restrictions, fatigue will set it no matter what they are. Largely Voluntary or Largely Enforced.
sheepysheep wrote: » Well, you're declared it to be in lockdown for months. However, someone else just posted a report that it might be going into lockdown soon. Can't be both.
charlie14 wrote: » There is no universal definition of lockdown, just different levels.
sheepysheep wrote: » Yes, You're correct there. Sweden has always had some type restrictions right from the start.
sheepysheep wrote: » Can you provide any quote in the report which explicitly declares that Sweden cannot be compared with all of Europe? Yes/No. If Yes, please provide it. If No, then it is only your assumption that Sweden cannot be compared with Europe. Because you don't respect science you'll go with deflection and assumption. However, if you could provide the research report upon which you based your pre-Economist report opinion please enlighten us all. I'm not expecting any report from you btw. Unless you have something from The Sun. BTW this is a report which you have consistently refused to acknowledge which clearly shows that Sweden can be compared with the EU27 on a load of matters.https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/state/docs/2018_healthatglance_rep_en.pdf Try and address this report this time and please debunk its OECD veracity.
charlie14 wrote: » There is no universal definition of lockdown, just different levels. Ireland for example has 5 levels. Uppsala declared it was using local lockdown back in October. Other regions followed Uppsala`s example shortly afterwards. What the Swedish government are now talking about the possible need for are just a stricter level. It sounds more or less the same as Ireland`s level 5.
99nsr125 wrote: » CNN comparing lockdown to no lockdown between California and Florida Both have similar statistics despite Florida having significantly higher amounts of older people and only light restrictions Just quoted a WSJ article citing underlying nationwide immunity of 55%
DylanJM wrote: » I think if Sweden managed to avoid going into full lockdown in after Christmas I think it's unlikely they will between now and the summer. Their cases are pretty flat the last 30 days at a 7 day average of 3,000ish and are looking to have to full adult population vaccinated by end of June.
DylanJM wrote: » Why are Sweden only ever compared to their neighbors? How do they stack up against the rest of the EU?
But I am not going to let Senator Paul get away with saying things that are cherry-picked data. And he compared us to Sweden, and said, “Sweden let everybody get infected and they have much lower death rate than us.” And I say, “Sir, with all due respect, you’re comparing apples and oranges, you should not be comparing Sweden with the United States, you should be comparing Sweden with demographically similar populations, like the Scandinavian countries such as Norway and Denmark.” And Sweden has done much less well, particularly regarding deaths, compared to the other countries.
charlie14 wrote: » What we do know is by April the US expect to have used 250 million vaccines vaccines with 150 million people vaccinated. Population of the US is 331 million so that 150 million is 46%. To date there have been 28 million confirmed cases, 8.5% of the population. By April 46% will have immunity from vaccines with a possible extra 8.5% being immune due to them being infected even if it is unknown how long that immunity lasts. Anything else is just conjecture for the reason that the author states himself. In conversation with medical experts they have often dismissed natural immunity because lack of data. What the author did to reach his 55% immunity figure was take the confirmed case number of 28 million, assume the number infected is 6.5 times higher, multiplied by 650% and got 182 mllion. 55% of the population. Anywhere we have seen assumed infections being used to predict natural immunity they have been incorrect. For Manaus, one of the hardest hit areas of Brazil, researchers predicted the same with only a 50% increase of confirmed cases to come up with their infection rate and their belief they had reached herd immunity. Subsequent events show they hadn`t The article even mentioned Sweden`s Karolinska Institute where presumed infection rates were used predicting herd immunity for Stockholm and later for high immunity levels for Sweden. I don`t think there can be any questions on how either of those worked out at this stage. That author is entitled to his opinion, but I cannot see anywhere, other than perhaps a very few countries ruled by nutcases going for natural herd immunity rather than herd immunity through vaccination.
wakka12 wrote: » That seems extremely unlikely, there are countries like Mexico and Russia with literally double the excess deaths of USA per capita. Are we to believe these countries have seen near 100% rate of infection?
99nsr125 wrote: » So you spent all of those paragraphs not addressing the article or comparison between states, good job "About 1 in 600 Americans has died of Covid-19, which translates to a population fatality rate of about 0.15%. The Covid-19 infection fatality rate is about 0.23%. These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population has had the infection."
cnocbui wrote: » Your posts singlehandedly comprise about a fifth of the total on this thread, but you don't have time. I have my doubts, but if you say so...
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » :D:D :pac:
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » + 2 more posts today minimum. Hes on course for 2/5 of all posts in this thread being his. Talk about taking over the debate :pac:
charlie14 wrote: » If you have read any of my posts then you will know I do not play the "look over there" game of distracting from Sweden with posters who refuse to look at what is happening next door to Sweden. Especially a posters whose main interest has always been naturally acquired herd immunity on a thread relating to Sweden.
cnocbui wrote: » My god! There actually people alive in the world, living a life! When is the next plane? I want to leave this hole.
humberklog wrote: » I don't think it's the case at all that there's a refusal by posters to consider Sweden in context with Scandinavian countries. There is a cohort here that only want to phrase Sweden in a Skandanavian contest. And while you say you're not a "look over there" merchant your posting comes across as "only look here". It's a very myopic way of considering one country's response to a pandemic.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Some hard hitting scenes in the below video guys Similar to the opening scene in Saving Private Ryan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQnR_JHjUU Thankfully Ireland didn’t see scenes like that We flattened that economic and mental well-being curve immediately
charlie14 wrote: » Thankfully we didn`t Fintan. They really are crap at social distancing and mask wearing, although thankfully in spite of their Public Health Authority messing on face masks, the regional authorities are getting the message. Economically Sweden is not projected to come out of this any better than anywhere else. But you already know that.
The Swedish government reported on Wednesday that it expects the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to grown by 3% in 2021, compared to 4.1% announced in September's report. The underlying details of the publication revealed that the economy is now forecasted to contract by 2.9% in 2020. .
New Zealand's gross domestic product (GDP) is now seen contracting by 7.2% in the fiscal year March 2021, according to the NZ Institute of Economic Research (NZIER). Key points Consensus Forecasts for GDP have been revised up for the year to March 2021, as the New Zealand economy has turned out more resilient than expected. The economy is likely to expand by 6.7% in the fiscal year of March 2022.
cnocbui wrote: » Greater social distancing than I observed with secondary students here a few months ago, hanging around outside an Aldi and a Lidl, where the mask wearing was literally zero.https://www.fxstreet.com/news/sweden-2021-gdp-growth-seen-at-30-vs-september-forecast-of-41-202012161212 New Zealand is 'projected' to take more than three times the economic hit Sweden is.https://www.fxstreet.com/news/new-zealands-gdp-to-contract-72-in-fiscal-year-2021-nzier-202009140047 So you're spoofing again.
