Bobtheman wrote: » Dispassionately based on what? A few essays?!
Newbie20 wrote: » I’m torn on the mocks situation. On one hand it’s usually the best indicator you have from all results and it gives them a trial run for the Leaving. But between the mocks probably being available somewhere online and the fact that they can do them while having books open at home, the results just can’t be trusted. Are schools that were proceeding with them doing them at home? That’s what ours were supposed to be doing. We’ll hear Monday if there’s any change to that. It’s messy. If you knew for definite that we were back with 6th on the 1st of March, it could be an option to do them then in school. But it’s quite late then to be losing class time and Easter is fast approaching.
History Queen wrote: » Surely not! That would go against everything the Department stands for! :pac:
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Wouldn't be like an ETB to jump the gun. Different approaches to remaining assessments could cause hassle. There isn't a common approach, bet some ETBs will run Easter exams as apparent high-stakes exams for predictive whereas others might not. Never mind the fact that students need to be doing prep for orals, practicals etc on top of these assessments
Treppen wrote: » No way mocks should be allowed to be done at home. If they're being used as a predictor it sets the competition on an unfair playing field. As regards mocks papers bring leaked , it's incumbent on all teachers to alter some of the questions and tell students they will be doing so. I never understood the mentality of teachers who never proofed the mocks and just handed them out without thinking. Any mocks I've ever gotten v I've tweaked then to test for different things and push the focus on certain areas.
Warbeastrior wrote: » Are leaving certs happy to return to school? I remember hearing that a big majority are happy working from home. Could have been false information tho.
Nyla Worried Son wrote: » Many of the prominent ones on social media are looking to stay at home. These individuals demanded that would not be sent back to the classroom if other groups stayed at home when cases were high after Christmas, for safety reasons. They then made a show of themselves abusing teachers and saying they were "too lazy" to teach them in person but wanted exams to go ahead. They are now insisting that they won't go back and should continue online learning.
rainbowtrout wrote: » On the other hand, I rarely get junior classes because I teach 2 LC subjects and TYs, so I often only teach students for the first time in fifth year. Lots of students knuckle down after the mocks and I'd say with the announcement yesterday there will be a flurry of work in the coming weeks. I take your point that for a lot of students you have a fair idea of how they will do, but I personally wouldn't be finalising any results for a couple of months yet. We got an email from the ETBI this morning via our principal that sets out a timeline for May. It says student work can be considered for PG up to 14th May. It also confirms schools close on 28th May and the first week of June is for PG alignment process. One interesting point in it says The SEC Accredited Grade and examinations outcomes will have regard to the pattern of results in 2020 and previously, with more details of the process to be determined by the Minister having regard to advice from the SEC
PoolDude wrote: » So results this year or after they are back in class don't count?
Mrsmum wrote: » Demanding to stay at home after Christmas for h&s was by anyone's standard the right thing to do. Teachers and parents wanted that too so no fault to them there. Their argument as regards teachers not wanting Pg but not wanting to teach in class was part of their fight to get Pg. Leaving any abuse aside, they were making the point that if teachers expected them to do written exams, as was teachers' stance, then doing the LC exams required face to face teaching,which they weren't getting and knowing that teachers were uncomfortable being back in schools while cases were high.They are smart and use the arguments available to them. Now because pgs is on the table, being back in school isn't as necessary for lots of them but that isn't a contradiction of their view when they didn't have that choice.
Nyla Worried Son wrote: » "Leaving any abuse aside". No. I don't think I will. It says everything about these individuals, some of whom I know personally. Not smart at all to make such a disgrace of themselves publicly.
Mrsmum wrote: » Honestly there is a logic to needing face to face teaching for a traditional LC and not needing it as badly for C.G. I'm sure they would say they got C.G for the disadvantaged students so there is no lack of concern. Many of the disadvantaged students were themselves telling their situations and why they wanted predictive grades and that they did not feel fit to sit the exams. I don't think it is a solid conclusion that they sold them out as you seem to think.
rainbowtrout wrote: » Really are you sure? Because what I see is a small group of vocal students getting what they wanted. Read the article from yesterday's times interviewing students on their opinions on the outcome. None of them mention disadvantaged students. Many of them mention how hard they have worked over the last two years and that they do well in class etc. Those are not the disadvantaged. At least four of them are members of the ISSU committee, so they are supposed to be representing students.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/i-can-finally-breathe-students-on-plans-for-leaving-cert-2021-1.4488833
Newbie20 wrote: » ASTI have e-mailed a survey looking to see if members are happy with the the Leaving Cert Exams / Calculated Grades.
History Queen wrote: » I haven't heard anything from TUI, I wonder will they do similar. Have to say my own feelings are that outstanding issues (such as the orals, details re how assessment should work etc.) need to be addressed but students have now been told of a system, that on the face of it, they are fairly happy with, I think we need to try make it work as best we can. I'd hate to see a non-cooperation directive or similar at this stage.
PoolDude wrote: » Agree. Maybe I’m being cynical but wouldn’t a survey at this stage set everything up for the answer they want to hear and trouble or just be able to you did it? I would think by all means survey members but isn’t it incumbent on you to first get more details as committed to in the process you are still part of and when you have that share it plus your survey.
