Spanish Eyes wrote: » Stay at home FGS unless your travel is absolutely unavoidable. This virus didn't circumnavigate the world because people stayed at home did it? There is no argument that will convince me otherwise.
acequion wrote: » Look you cannot for one minute compare the self sufficiency levels of Australia and NZ with the EU countries where there is huge intertwining on so many levels. Also, Germany is talking about a ban from countries where the new strains are widespread ie ourselves, also Portugal, not every EU country. As I said to another poster, I find your stance very extreme and you don't seem to want to look at this from any other angle. That is your entitlement just as it's mine not to want to engage with such an extreme perspective. So let's agree to disagree and leave it there. I won't be replying again.
faceman wrote: » We're back to where we started primarily because: * The nation lost its marbles in December and going nuts socially, * Ireland opened too quickly when cases were still high * Cases were still high during the last lockdown. No one has scrutinised that, but ultimately its down to a lack of adherence to restrictions by the public.
You can spin the travel narrative anyway you want, but you cant dispute the NPHET have never pushed a Zero Covid strategy. People cant pick and choose when to support NPHET when they like.
And once again with the pointless Australia and New Zealand references. Are either of those countries part of a similar system like the EU that has promoted free movement of labour and people for decades? The glaringly obvious issue for Ireland that other EU nations dont have to worry about to the same degree is closing the republic's border won't keep the virus out. An all island approach won't keep the virus out. Theres no way the mythical 2 island approach is going to lock both countries in unison with widespread sharing of data. Its not going to happen So we can have a free for all on travel and we cant lock everything down. So what can we do?
gozunda wrote: » Yeah as you said all that previously to other posters here. And I'd disagree - trying to reduce the rate of infection in order to be able to reduce internal restrictions is not extreme at all. And yes Germany is considering an almost total flight ban. See headlines linked above for details. Btw I wouldn't consider either of those countries to be near self sufficient or Germany for that matter. Doesn't mean such restrictions can be applied for a set period of time.
acequion wrote: » What part of let's agree to disagree do you not understand?? Or do you find it impossible to agree to requests that don't suit you? Please stop replying to my posts. I don't want to talk to you as it's impossible to debate with you.
acequion wrote: » Except you have completely forgotten our EU membership
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/belgium-eu-travel-advice-protect-covid-gains-cross-border-ban-government-non-essential-infection-europe If certain member states would like to go further than the commission recommendation then we request from them an explanation...
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-will-eu-countries-close-borders-again/a-56298808 Angela Merkel's chief of staff has said Germany may close its borders if countries fail to control the coronavirus. The warning comes ahead of the EU coronavirus summit that will focus on containing new COVID variants.
acequion wrote: » and the facts that thousands in Ireland, both Irish and foreign are not self sufficient within Ireland alone. Or perhaps you haven't forgotten, perhaps you just don't care about those people and don't care about EU membership and all it entails.
acequion wrote: » Your posts are very extreme in one direction so there really isn't much point in trying to debate with you.
acequion wrote: » Lastly, I will say that no other EU country is implementing what you suggest. Short term closures as part of wider lockdown restrictions, yes. But if I understand correctly you advocate going much further than that.
Danno wrote: » It all boils down to this: * Irish people collectively have PROVEN that we can pretty much eradicate this virus. Proof - less than ten cases per day between mid-June and mid-July. * International travellers have PROVEN that they cannot be trusted to not re-introduce the virus in to our community. Proof - following summer holidays, over 60% of cases were directly linked to Spain; over 60% of cases directly linked to UK variant post Christmas. Denying that takes some mental gymnastics.
Cosmo Kramer wrote: » What the virus has certainly achieved is brought the loonies out into the mainstream, posters like Danno have now reached Brexit/Trump levels of xenophobic delusion with some of the nonsense being posted. Not to mention the fact, which has been repeated time and again and is still ignored, that it is literally impossible to entirely restrict travel into the state in any case. The more restrictions you put on travellers arriving directly into the state, the more it encourages people to just fly into Belfast instead, spin down on the bus and avoid the restrictions altogether. The virus is here and won't be fully eradicated any time soon. The sooner the country accepts that and returns to focusing on minimising the impact of the virus inside the country through everyday actions like properly worn masks, regular hand washing and limiting journeys as much as possible, instead of clinging to easy scapegoats like essential international travellers, the safer we will all be.
Cosmo Kramer wrote: » What the virus has certainly achieved is brought the loonies out into the mainstream, posters like Danno have now reached Brexit/Trump levels of xenophobic delusion with some of the nonsense being posted.
Cosmo Kramer wrote: » Not to mention the fact, which has been repeated time and again and is still ignored, that it is literally impossible to entirely restrict travel into the state in any case. The more restrictions you put on travellers arriving directly into the state, the more it encourages people to just fly into Belfast instead, spin down on the bus and avoid the restrictions altogether.
Cosmo Kramer wrote: » The virus is here and won't be fully eradicated any time soon. The sooner the country accepts that and returns to focusing on minimising the impact of the virus inside the country through everyday actions like properly worn masks, regular hand washing and limiting journeys as much as possible, instead of clinging to easy scapegoats like essential international travellers, the safer we will all be.
Did anyone hear on the news at lunchtime? They were interviewing some of the holidayers coming back from Dubai at Dublin Airport. Boasting about how great the beaches were or how they went over for the McGregor fight. And some sanctimonious fcuker like "oh well we've all to get on with our lives. Can't stay at home forever".
ShineOn7 wrote: » On the front page of Reddit Ireland So what happens with this person above when they arrive from the utterly riddled UAE? Don't they need a negative PCR test on arrival? I'm asking as I honestly have no clue how much the "government" are implementing the new rules and how much they're still just "planning" them
acequion wrote: » Completely agree. Not only that but there's a constant hectoring and bullying of posters who are trying to debate and present another angle. It's a totalitarian I'm right and screw you, you're wrong attitude. Even asking them to agree to disagree just seems to rile them more. Life is too depressing at the moment for that nonsense. Cue unfollow thread.:rolleyes:
Danno wrote: » Insult, label and attack, the first sign you've already lost the argument. Are the Australians, New Zealanders, Taiwanese and Vietnamese to name a few under a spell of xenophobic delusion too? Well whatever it is they are under, it is a huge pity the Irish aren't under it too cause those countries are doing mighty fine now. You'll find that I advocate for the border to be closed if Arlene cannot be bothered to co-operate. She has a choice, seal the island or seal the border. It was sealed for cattle in the 2001 foot and mouth outbreak. This disease is far more devastating. Once the longer evenings return and the weather picks up you'll find that the people in this country will less and less accept almost year long restrictions and will circumvent them and who'd blame them - there is a thing as lockdown fatigue you know. By then, the policies you admire will have successfully imported the south American strain which will be no doubt circulating nicely. Yay!
Spanish Eyes wrote: » Who would want to go to LanzaGrotty, feck sake we know the type. Plastic Irish pubs and home from home. 4 hours or a little more in a plane for that?
ShineOn7 wrote: » Also, as of today, very riddled with Covid after having a long run of low cases Can't find a web source but a travel agent mentioned it on a radio interview earlier
faceman wrote: » Irish Examiner looked at a wider spread of data from this week and found just 1/3 of people travelling were holiday makers. This makes more sense given there aren't daily flights to holiday hot spots anymore. Some destinations are one flight a week. 28 people without a test who will be prosecuted. Paul Reid also "doesn't think too much focus should be on the risk from international travel." With the meat plant outbreak affected 220 people it would be great to see the mob shift their focus to looking for more regulation and enforcement around workplaces.https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/28-people-arrived-at-dublin-airport-this-week-without-negative-covid-test-1072283.html
Malcomex wrote: » Other countries Israel ,Germany,and UK etc seem to be highly focused on international travel
gozunda wrote: » Source:https://lanzaroteinformation.co.uk/corona-virus-in-lanzarote/
acequion wrote: » Completely agree. Not only that but there's a constant hectoring and bullying of posters who are trying to debate and present another angle. It's a totalitarian I'm right and screw you, you're wrong attitude. Even asking them to agree to disagree just seems to rile them more.
Danno wrote: » Insult, label and attack, the first sign you've already lost the argument. Are the Australians, New Zealanders, Taiwanese and Vietnamese to name a few under a spell of xenophobic delusion too? Well whatever it is they are under, it is a huge pity the Irish aren't under it too cause those countries are doing mighty fine now. You'll find that I advocate for the border to be closed if Arlene cannot be bothered to co-operate. She has a choice, seal the island or seal the border. It was sealed for cattle in the 2001 foot and mouth outbreak. This disease is far more devastating.
Danno wrote: » Once the longer evenings return and the weather picks up you'll find that the people in this country will less and less accept almost year long restrictions and will circumvent them and who'd blame them - there is a thing as lockdown fatigue you know. By then, the policies you admire will have successfully imported the south American strain which will be no doubt circulating nicely. Yay!
Danno wrote: » * Irish people collectively have PROVEN that we can pretty much eradicate this virus. * International travellers have PROVEN that they cannot be trusted to not re-introduce the virus in to our community.
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