dunnerc wrote: » One giant ? :rolleyes: Kerry : 81 Munster Titles - 37 All Ireland Titles Dublin :59 Leinster Titles - 30 All Ireland Titles
Enquiring wrote: » Kerry didn't have a plan created and funded to the tune of millions for them. If they did, calls for them to be split would be growing also.
Enquiring wrote: » Unfortunately, Dublin GAA agreed to accept the millions granted to them. They knew that it would lead to this. They followed the plan drawn up for them apart from the splitting part. It's not a choice, for Gaelic games to prosper the split has to happen. There is no way around it. The benefits for everyone have already been outlined.
Iscreamkone wrote: » You are correct. However, this is ancient history. Dublin are now at a level that smaller counties can't match them off the field and the population disparity means that they can't be matched for producing numbers of quality athletes. A blind man can see where this is going. As an aside - there are a lot of inter-county standard players in Dublin who are prevented from playing inter-county because there is only 15 places available for 1.5 million people.
dunnerc wrote: » Whats that got to do with one giant ? :rolleyes:
Strumms wrote: » Nope, sorry, not happening You can say a sea lion will be refereeing the senior football final, repeating it wont make it true... :eek: It’s an inter County Championship, not intra area or location championship...
Strumms wrote: » In 1985, there were around 1 million people and still 15 places. 543000 people live in cork county now , still only 15 places. Sure why not split Cork, give more people a chance
Enquiring wrote: » As you pointed out before. It's up to those interested in fair play and the health of our games need to stand up for ourselves and demand this. Protests etc may need to happen. The future of our games depend on completely changing the landscape of Gaelic games. Splitting Dublin is only one part of it. Without massive change, football and hurling will continue to decline in many counties.
Iscreamkone wrote: » If one single Dail constituency's population got too big then the lines would be redrawn. By not redrawing the lines re Dublin, the GAA are gerrymandering. Not a term that the GAA would like to be accused of, I'd imagine?
Enquiring wrote: » I'm just explaining to you why the split must happen.
Enquiring wrote: » The lines are already redrawn. The 4 counties in Dublin already exist.
SheepsClothing wrote: » Even economically, keeping Dublin as a single province sized team, doesn't make sense anymore. We have reached the point where a Leinster final between Dublin City and Dun Laoghaire Rathdown would draw a much larger crowd than a Dublin - Meath final.
Enquiring wrote: » It's not just the opinion of one Dublin county board employee, it's the general consensus within Dublin GAA. The coaches do go to primary and secondary schools for player recruitment but their main role is within the clubs they are hired by. The clubs aren't paying half the coaches wages to become PE teachers. The coaches are directed by their employers. This could involve coaching various teams, coaching other coaches, cúl camps etc but they also target elite development. It's a major part of their job as that's what their employers want, an increase in standards for their senior teams which will and has come from superior talent development systems.
SheepsClothing wrote: » I didn't know London and New York were counties. Good to learn something new.
Strumms wrote: » I simply never pointed out splits .. if the sport is decline in x county, they need to stand up, man up, organize themselves and not worry about what’s going on in other counties unless it’s as a template as how they must strive and work to improve... as sports people, administrators and indeed people...
dunnerc wrote: » Again you can say it as many times as you want Dublin will not agree to a split
Enquiring wrote: » They'll have to. There's no other option.
blanch152 wrote: » Well, I am sorry, this post just exposes your lack of knowledge on the issue. The GDOs don't just go to primary and secondary schools for player recruitment - nearly all of their work is in primary and secondary schools. Elite player development is not part of their remit. Where you are getting confused is with what those GDOs do as part of their job and separately as part of their voluntary time. The GAA in Dublin is driven forward nearly entirely by the work of volunteers. So if a GDO in a school helps out in his local club on a Tuesday night training the U-21s, that isn't the GAA or anyone else paying for him to do that, that is him volunteering. He would have been doing that whether he was a GDO or a teacher or a Garda.
Iscreamkone wrote: » When you say man up - I would say that some of the smaller counties are doing very well. Kerry with only 10% of Dublin's population create more quality players per 100,000 pop than Dublin. However, Kerry will find it hard to multiply their output further. There will always be a gap because the population differences are so big. And the difference between urban and rural populations will only get bigger with time.
Enquiring wrote: » So you are claiming that clubs in Dublin are paying for glorified PE teachers? This goes against statements from senior Dublin county board members. They state clearly that the coaches work under the direction of the clubs who hire them. Should we believe the Dublin county board members or a poster who wants to brush two decades of funding disparity under the carpet?
blanch152 wrote: » I have seen the work done in special schools by GDOs, calling them glorified PE teachers, reducing them to trainers of the elite are huge insults to their work. The majority of kids coached by GDOs won't end up in GAA clubs, many GDOs will never see a kid coached by them reach a county team, that is the reality, because their work is about mass participation, not about building a better senior team. I am leaving it there.
Iscreamkone wrote: » Dublin GAA is now super organised so the smaller counties can't get an advantage by being more organised than them - there will always be a gap.
Enquiring wrote: » You're not arguing against me here. You're arguing against Dublin county board members including the Strategic development officer. They've stated what the gdo's do and the benefits achieved for development squads. The gdo's do go to primary and secondary schools but their main task is improving standards within their club. That's the bottom line.
blanch152 wrote: » I am talking about the reality on the ground, not what somebody higher up is reputed to have said.
