dunnerc wrote: » Again you can say it as many times as you want Dublin will not agree to a split
Strumms wrote: » I simply never pointed out splits .. if the sport is decline in x county, they need to stand up, man up, organize themselves and not worry about what’s going on in other counties unless it’s as a template as how they must strive and work to improve... as sports people, administrators and indeed people...
SheepsClothing wrote: » I didn't know London and New York were counties. Good to learn something new.
Enquiring wrote: » It's not just the opinion of one Dublin county board employee, it's the general consensus within Dublin GAA. The coaches do go to primary and secondary schools for player recruitment but their main role is within the clubs they are hired by. The clubs aren't paying half the coaches wages to become PE teachers. The coaches are directed by their employers. This could involve coaching various teams, coaching other coaches, cúl camps etc but they also target elite development. It's a major part of their job as that's what their employers want, an increase in standards for their senior teams which will and has come from superior talent development systems.
SheepsClothing wrote: » Even economically, keeping Dublin as a single province sized team, doesn't make sense anymore. We have reached the point where a Leinster final between Dublin City and Dun Laoghaire Rathdown would draw a much larger crowd than a Dublin - Meath final.
Strumms wrote: » Nope, sorry, not happening You can say a sea lion will be refereeing the senior football final, repeating it wont make it true... :eek: It’s an inter County Championship, not intra area or location championship...
Enquiring wrote: » The lines are already redrawn. The 4 counties in Dublin already exist.
Iscreamkone wrote: » You are correct. However, this is ancient history. Dublin are now at a level that smaller counties can't match them off the field and the population disparity means that they can't be matched for producing numbers of quality athletes. A blind man can see where this is going. As an aside - there are a lot of inter-county standard players in Dublin who are prevented from playing inter-county because there is only 15 places available for 1.5 million people.
Enquiring wrote: » I'm just explaining to you why the split must happen.
Iscreamkone wrote: » If one single Dail constituency's population got too big then the lines would be redrawn. By not redrawing the lines re Dublin, the GAA are gerrymandering. Not a term that the GAA would like to be accused of, I'd imagine?
Enquiring wrote: » As you pointed out before. It's up to those interested in fair play and the health of our games need to stand up for ourselves and demand this. Protests etc may need to happen. The future of our games depend on completely changing the landscape of Gaelic games. Splitting Dublin is only one part of it. Without massive change, football and hurling will continue to decline in many counties.
Strumms wrote: » In 1985, there were around 1 million people and still 15 places. 543000 people live in cork county now , still only 15 places. Sure why not split Cork, give more people a chance
dunnerc wrote: » Whats that got to do with one giant ? :rolleyes:
Enquiring wrote: » Unfortunately, Dublin GAA agreed to accept the millions granted to them. They knew that it would lead to this. They followed the plan drawn up for them apart from the splitting part. It's not a choice, for Gaelic games to prosper the split has to happen. There is no way around it. The benefits for everyone have already been outlined.
Enquiring wrote: » Kerry didn't have a plan created and funded to the tune of millions for them. If they did, calls for them to be split would be growing also.
dunnerc wrote: » One giant ? :rolleyes: Kerry : 81 Munster Titles - 37 All Ireland Titles Dublin :59 Leinster Titles - 30 All Ireland Titles
dunnerc wrote: » Again you can say it as many times as you like Dublin will not agree to a split.
Enquiring wrote: » That's a long post saying virtually nothing. Other counties have gone to HQ and had the door slammed in their face. That's why this is a scandal. The scheme planned and funded for Dublin is a great scheme. It has done wonders for Dublin GAA and that is great. Why wasnt this introduced across the country at the same time? That's why the split has to happen. It was a Dublin only scheme and the snowball effect of it has left Dublin in an unattainable position. A professional organisation spending over 2 million on salaries alone every year. Time for the split.
Iscreamkone wrote: » The question that must be asked is - are we happy going forward to let one team win the vast majority of titles. Dublin will get caught sooner or later, but it's likely that they will bounce back and start winning ad nauseum again. In fairness I admire their excellence. However, the vast majority of counties have no chance of competing with them and the few that can compete will come and go as their own cycle of ability comes to an end after a few years. It will get boring (some will say that has already happened). This will affect everyone's income streams. The GAA is unique in that weaker counties can't buy in talent like football teams can. So the bigger counties because of their population, if organised, have a huge advantage from day one. Dublin GAA is now super organised so the smaller counties can't get an advantage by being more organised than them - there will always be a gap. Only a sporting fluke will close the gap at the moment. And this will only be momentarily. What we have is a Celtic/Rangers scenario but in our case there is only one giant.
Strumms wrote: » Odd ? you need to look a little closer to home There are many negatives about splitting Dublin, because there is nothing fair or positive about it. New counties ? No, 33 / 34 counties is grand. You don’t get to rearrange the map, invent new counties or redraw sporting boundaries of a county championship because you dislike the success that one county is enjoying currently... sorry, life doesn’t dance attendance on your mad little whims or toys out of the park dalliances with the downright bizarre... but you made me laugh which is something.. ... . Good job.
Enquiring wrote: » I was respectfully engaging with you despite your odd posts. Dublin gaining success would be great if it was done with the fair and equitable split of funding. It wasn't and it's left us in this position. Gaelic games being the number one sport in our capital is something that all GAA people want. This will still be the goal when the split occurs. In fact, splitting will assist in fighting that battle. There's too many negatives being posted about splitting Dublin. It's a positive both for those within the new counties and for the rest of the island. More players will have access to inter county competitions, each county board can target areas within their county more effectively. Disadvantaged areas will reap the benefits of this. Getting young people involved in GAA instead of gangs in places like the inner city would be a main goal for the Dublin City county board. Look at the benefits for a place like Ballymun. You're looking at this in the wrong way. The split will be great for GAA in Dublin.
blanch152 wrote: » The bit in bold is simply not true. Your post implicitly recognises this by quoting the opinion of a single person on the issue. The funding has been directed, continues to be directed and will be directed at juvenile participation. This is mainly done in schools and is a positive contribution to the mental and physical wellbeing of the children of this state. Long may that continue.
Enquiring wrote: » The funding helped increase participation but it also targeted elite development. A senior member of the Dublin system noted the transformation in standards of development squads from prior to the funding to post funding. He put that down to the gdo's. On field success of course leads to increased sponsorship. How can you argue otherwise? Having the revenue available to hire marketing managers alone would lead to that. Having your development system funded for you frees up extra funds. The rise in standards across the board has been incredible. Not just the senior footballers. The hurlers have gone from minnows to serious competitors. The Dublin ladies team have transformed into a dominant force like their male equivalents. Dublin club teams have also seen a huge increase in results. 2 All Ireland club hurling titles, that would have been unthinkable prior to the funding. 2 decades of funding disparity has left Dublin in an advantage position on and off the field. I've informed you of the figures available for Dublin GAA. These are amateur games we're discussing here, I don't see any reasonable argument for allowing one county to operate on a professional level with huge sums of money available to them in an amateur sport.
Strumms wrote: » Well, it’s a long post, which you were motivated to and took the trouble to reply to. So it must say something, or you are basically talking to yourself, which erm, anyway... Unfortunately for ya we can’t split Dublin, can’t split Galway, Waterford, can’t split Bayern Munich, New York Yankees, or the race horse Authentic... all sporting entities, hugely successful, hugely revered, hugely authentic and enjoyed by people across the globe...millions cheer on and enjoy the success of Dublin, across the globe, if you don’t, well you live in a democracy...you have that right, and as long as we live in a democracy there will be the right to support Dublin and a right for them to work for and strive for success.... . Don’t want to see it ? Move to China, where it’s acceptable to dictate what can and can’t be done, what can and can’t be enjoyed...
