mohawk wrote: » Would it not put people off from travelling to Ireland unless they really have to.
faceman wrote: » What do you think might happen to a country that heavily relies on imports and supply chains if we borrow the NZ model? Do you think all the food on our shelves is locally produced? You might say mandatory quarantine doesn’t effect freight. Well, we know it does. How? New Zealand. Despite freight being permitted, New Zealand still has issues with imports. Luckily they aren’t reliant on food imports (other than wine!) so it’s not so big an issue. They have their own oil and mineral source and a massive agriculture and horticulture industry. Turn that lens on Ireland and what do you think might happen? How many New Zealander’s have work, family or other connections with neighbouring countries? I imagine it’s probably not as comparable as a country like Ireland or any other country in the EU. Afternoon New Zealand is 2500 miles from its nearest neighbour. I can’t imagine there are many people who go off on a shopping trip or hen weekend to New Zealand for a couple of days. New Zealand’s quarantine policy also curtails FDI, an industry Ireland is heavily reliant on. New Zealand’s quarantine policy also curtails much essential travel, despite what the media might tell you. Closing the border doesn’t mean essential trips continue as normal.Economically, NZ is expected to be one of the worst hit countries from the crisis. This has been covered extensively in business media. And again, without flogging the dead horse, New Zealand doesn’t have to deal with the sensitive of the NI border and the complex relationship with the U.K. Even if all 3 governments were aligned, which they’re not, we can’t ignore the sensitivities of that pandemic or not. Finally even Tony Holohan and Philip Nolan have said a zero covid strategy for Ireland is unlikely to work.
New Zealand Economy Surges Out of Recession In V-Shaped Recovery
Gross domestic product surged 14% from the second quarter, when it contracted a revised 11%, Statistics New Zealand said Thursday in Wellington. Economists forecast a 12.9% gain. From a year earlier, the economy grew 0.4%, confounding the consensus forecast for a 1.8% decline.
lawrencesummers wrote: » It begs the question would Ireland be better off economically with its current open boarders or closed ones.
faceman wrote: » Secondary school economics class called and wants a word...
lawrencesummers wrote: » Economics is not on the post primary curriculum.
dartboardio wrote: » I've been told the Gardai can fine you if you go to the airport to catch a flight for a non essential purpose, but they cannot turn you back/refuse you to get on the flight, is this true? To be honest, I'll believe it when I see it too... have travelled abroad 4 times since July , and not once was I stopped or asked where/why I was travelling, not once did we get stopped by a checkpoint (travelled via public transport) I don't see it happening this time either, flying on Monday. Seems to be a big media deterrent to stop people coming to the airport, which will work I suppose. IMO,it's perfectly safe to travel if you have a negative test directly before, and when you return, although I'll head off for a few months to avoid this nonsense. I will of course be tested before I go, and I work online so can do my work from abroad.
Danno wrote: » There is a notable subliminal train of thought running through some of the responses here: * When the lockdowns are lifted its because cases numbers are very low - so international travel has nothing to do with it, ergo it's Paddy on the booze spreading it the moment he gets a chance post lifting of said restrictions. What these types don't realise is that if we eliminate community transmission then nobody has the virus to give it to anyone else. Introduce an infected person via international travel and you re-introduce community transmission once again and cases explode. This is completely demonstrable via proven facts: Before Lockdown 2; over 60% of cases were traceable to travel from Spain ALONE. Before Lockdown 3; over 60% of cases were traceable to travel from UK. If one infected person from Brazil brings that variant here and it becomes the dominant strain then all cases from there forth are the cause of travel to Brazil. The phrase "community transmission" is therefore SOLELY caused by international travel. Therefore, before even attempting to clean up the mess of the virus within Ireland, you stop any risk of importing another variant. With borders closed we can really chase down and clear out any residual virus in Ireland and stay on top of it. Anything else short of this is futile, a waste of time and downright disingenuous to the Irish people. If the powers that be have no will in keeping the SA and the Brazilian variant out because of "meh, freedom of movement" then restore that human right to the locals and lift level 5 with immediate effect so "equality" can prevail as they are so adamant in respecting.
gozunda wrote: » If you don't mind me asking why so many flights in the middle of pandemic if you can work from home? And especially now with new more contagious strains? There's been several cases of people going down with covid despite testing. See the recent case in above mentioned New Zealand. The woman had travelled in Spain and the Netherlands and arrived in New Zealand from London around the turn of the year. Quarantined. Tested and later developed covid. South African strain afaik
dartboardio wrote: » Two were holidays and the other was for family reasons, Well, as I said, I have been abroad 4 times and been tested each time going out and coming back, and not once have I contracted this virus, or passed it to anyone, and I was in areas that were deemed 'high risk' apparently. Flying next monday because I'd rather move abroad for a few months and work remotely from wherever, than stay in Ireland between rolling lockdowns with a government who don't seem to have any sort of grasp on the situation.
Danno wrote: » Over 40% are planning holidays abroad this year.https://www.thejournal.ie/summer-holidays-2021-5335620-Jan2021/ There is going to be gnashing of teeth when they're forced to get a negative test before returning, or quarantining without one.
hahashake wrote: » I think an interesting question is, if you could go back 12 months with the info we have now and give it to the appropriate decision makers, what would be the differences in policy?
Malcomex wrote: » Stating the obvious but what is the point of any partial closures New variants will still get through and the SA variant is already in the UK As they they just trying to slow it down or what?
mickdw wrote: » Id have to fully agree with this. Control flights to tiny numbers. Quarantine all until safe. Simple. Whats the point in beating the virus in circulation if the government allow another strain in immediately. The key to managing hotel quarantine is keeping travelling numbers small. So essential travel only. I cant even think who would need to be flying in to be honest. Travelling in for funerals wont be a thing with quarantine so that is ruled out too. Travelling for business - allow 2 weeks in advance.
Morries Wigs wrote: » if you havent the money to quarantine in the hotel what happens
Malcomex wrote: » Its not as simple as you make it sound Do you do it forever?
