average_runner wrote: » Basically AZ has looked after their own people first. I am sure Boris was well aware of this also. EU needs to look at it self and figure out why we are so slow in certifying these vaccines compare to the rest of the world.
Hurrache wrote: » Sure, why doesn't every run rush to certify everything anyway, even if they've questions for which they're waiting for more data and explanations for.
Hurrache wrote: » Erm, they had ordered and funded the vaccines, hence the problem. They weren't trying to negotiate a better deal. You don't seem to understand the story at all.
McGiver wrote: » What??? 9M EU citizens were vaccinated as of yesterday. Some countries' data are few days old so in reality it could be up to 9.5M. The EMA is approving products for one of the largest and very well regulated markets in the world. There is nothing to speed up. The approval process may be a bit slower than in the US due to more rigorous and careful approach. But that's it. The reality is - AZ applied to EMA late after the UK emergency approval, the data was dodgy, they were asked to provide more data, however the EMA starting a rolling review and still expecting more data from AZ because what they provided so far is insufficient.https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-starts-first-rolling-review-covid-19-vaccine-eu And on top they are potentially breaching contract with the EU by selling EU pre ordered stuff elsewhere. But sure it's the EU's fault that they diversified the vaccine portfolio as much as possible, that Sanofi got issues in the clinical trial and that AZ presented crap data to EMA late and that the UK approved their own vaccine without proper scrutiny. Too many euro bashing trolls and eurosceptic drivel on this thread. Daily Express quoted, really??? Should be tagged by mods as fake news.
average_runner wrote: » And why didn't other countries need this extra data? Are we saying the scientist in other countries are not as good?
Yet independent scientists and industry analysts have criticized AstraZeneca and Oxford for not being sufficiently transparent about their early results, the design of their studies and safety issues. Most critically, it is not clear how well the vaccine works.
HalfAndHalf wrote: » Erm, keep hearing this ‘EU funded the AZ vaccine’.... This isn’t exactly how it sounds and the EU weeent the only ones, the U.K. and US also ‘funded’ them, the US to the tune of a billion dollars... This ‘funding’ was just an up front payment for product, it wasn’t a charitable donation!
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » Some countries are treating this as an emergency and granting emergency use authorisation. It's basically ask for less data and approve early. It's an interesting question if we should have done this?
Hurrache wrote: » They've made a series of blunders when dealing with the US, who have yet to authorises its use, and in a story in the Ney York Times from the end of December, have said
...Ghost... wrote: » My initial thoughts when I heard about the shortage was that AZ were supplying the UK with the batches destined for the EU. edited to add: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-astrazeneca-to-cut-covid-19-vaccine-delivery-to-eu-by-60-reports-12195923
average_runner wrote: » Yet the USA supply will not be affected!!! Something is way off here. EU are the bosses, bucks stop here and they need to amend the situation asap. By whatever means. AZ might be at fault, but that is of no use to us, EU is paid big bucks for this and should have a backup plan
Mitch Connor wrote: » Ireland on its own? Probably not, imo. I don't think Ireland should have started a european rush on the vaccine by going out on our own.
BredonWimsey wrote: » EU can sue
average_runner wrote: » Yet the USA supply will not be affected!!! Something is way off here.
average_runner wrote: » That is alot of good to Ireland
Dressoutlet wrote: » For anyone that said they didn't have a clue what I was speaking about, or that I was wrong about the EU banning Ireland from buying supplies and yet couldn't, even after I asked, show me the proof of why I was wrong. The EU are playing politics with our health and its totally unacceptable.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1386888/Brexit-news-oxford-vaccine-ireland-micheal-martin-coronavirus-covid19/amp IRELAND has been BARRED from ordering up doses of the Oxford coronavirus vaccine in an apparent EU bid to pay the UK back for Brexit, a former Irish diplomat has said. The pioneering vaccine has yet to be given the green light by the EU, despite having been given the thumbs-up in the UK, as efforts are stepped up to vaccinate as many people as possible with the NHS under increasing pressure. However, Ray Bassett, Ireland’s former ambassador to Canada, Jamaica and the Bahamas, told Express.co.uk: “Our Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, has just been rebuffed publicly when he suggested that Ireland should bring in some supplies of the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccine in anticipation of its approval by the European Medicines Agency “The Irish Government was sharply told by the Commission that this would not be permitted. “It is hard to see how any democratic Government should allow itself to be overruled by an unelected body like the Commission especially when the health of its citizens is involved in a pandemic.” The reasons for the EU’s stance are unclear - but given the strained nature of relations between the bloc and the UK in the light of Brexit it seems reasonable to think it may be a factor.
average_runner wrote: » Yet the USA supply will not be affected!!! Something is way off here. EU are the bosses, bucks stop here and they need to amend the situation asap. By whatever means. AZ might be at fault, but that is of no use to us, EU is paid big bucks for this and should have a backup plan If this was the HSE, people would be calling for their heads here
Hurrache wrote: » It was clarified on a number of times in this thread that they part funded it, so nothing is being hidden or muddied. And the funding wasn't just an upfront payment, it was paid upfront to fund the R&D.
BredonWimsey wrote: » yeah correct but thats the option if AZ are being immoral and selling it to the highest bidder
mick087 wrote: » Yes totally immoral than good health treatment can be brought. I wonder how many EU commissioners have private health care polices?
BredonWimsey wrote: » oh lord it is immoral to sell a vaccine that was allocated for delivery to someone else - immoral and illegal. its not about good health care - its about their duty of care and their breach of contract.
mick087 wrote: » My own personnel opinion is that it is immoral and should be illegal for vaccines to be sold for profit but that's a different subject. Yes the bigger picture it is about health care and the duty of care our elected government and its citizens have to each other.
